<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; ">My bio is not as dark as Jung's. Don't know 'bout the rest of yall.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; ">Ian, god shitting on the cathedral makes sense to me too. Jung shitting on people is less clear to me. It's not hindsight 20/20, it's facing up to the nightmare of history. I guess I don't see what Jung did "right" so I can't merit praise by assimilating his work.<span><br></span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; ">mc otis</span></div><div style="font-family: arial,
helvetica, sans-serif; "><br></div> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Jed Kelestron <jedkelestron@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Ian Livingston <igrlivingston@gmail.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Matthew Cissell <macissell@yahoo.es>; "pynchon-l@waste.org" <pynchon-l@waste.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, March 27, 2012 8:00 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Speaking of Carl Jung<br> </font> </div> <br>
Hard to believe that biographies of us plisters would have any less darkness in them than Jung's. <br><br><br><br>On Mar 27, 2012, at 10:39 AM, Ian Livingston <<a ymailto="mailto:igrlivingston@gmail.com" href="mailto:igrlivingston@gmail.com">igrlivingston@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> It's easy to find what's wrong in people's words and actions,<br>> especially once they are out of date; it requires something else to<br>> merit praise oneself by assimilating what others have done right and<br>> move forward with that. God shitting on the cathedral makes an awful<br>> lot of sense to me. Sounds like a good dream, referencing the manner<br>> in which the cathedral shits on humans.<br>> <br>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:14 AM, Matthew Cissell <<a ymailto="mailto:macissell@yahoo.es" href="mailto:macissell@yahoo.es">macissell@yahoo.es</a>> wrote:<br>>> Richard Wolin shines a pretty poor light on him in the book
"The Seduction<br>>> of Unreason". He mentions the story about god sitting on the cathedral<br>>> <br>>> mc<br>>> <br>>> ________________________________<br>>> From: Jed Kelestron <<a ymailto="mailto:jedkelestron@gmail.com" href="mailto:jedkelestron@gmail.com">jedkelestron@gmail.com</a>><br>>> To: Billy Genocide <<a ymailto="mailto:billygenocide@gmail.com" href="mailto:billygenocide@gmail.com">billygenocide@gmail.com</a>><br>>> Cc: pynchon -l <<a ymailto="mailto:pynchon-l@waste.org" href="mailto:pynchon-l@waste.org">pynchon-l@waste.org</a>><br>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 3:07 AM<br>>> <br>>> Subject: Re: Speaking of Carl Jung<br>>> <br>>> Anything the psychology of his or this day would condone is so lame it's<br>>> scary.<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>>> On Mar 26, 2012, at 2:53 PM, Billy Genocide <<a
ymailto="mailto:billygenocide@gmail.com" href="mailto:billygenocide@gmail.com">billygenocide@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>> <br>>> Well, I'm basically in agreement with Noll, but I don't think it's a bad<br>>> thing. Especially now that Jung's Red Book has been published, it can't be<br>>> denied that his personal techniques were more along the lines of those of<br>>> magician's and "pagans" than anything even the psychology of his day would<br>>> have condoned, let alone modern psychology. Jung talks about having visions,<br>>> meeting "people," astral entities, talking and communing with them. It is<br>>> my opinion that Noll's perspective is at least more accurate than Memories,<br>>> Dreams and Reflections. Much of the latter was actually written by Aniela<br>>> Jaffe who herself did much to whitewash Jung on top of yielding to pressure<br>>> from Jung's family to edit many
things out.<br>>> <br>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Jed Kelestron <<a ymailto="mailto:jedkelestron@gmail.com" href="mailto:jedkelestron@gmail.com">jedkelestron@gmail.com</a>><br>>> wrote:<br>>> <br>>> It's all fiction. You're kidding when you say 'real look' I hope<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>>> On Mar 26, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Billy Genocide <<a ymailto="mailto:billygenocide@gmail.com" href="mailto:billygenocide@gmail.com">billygenocide@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>> <br>>> Memories, Dreams and Reflections is edited and whitewashed bullshit released<br>>> posthumously. If you want a real look at Jung's life you should read Aryan<br>>> Christ by Richard Noll.<br>>> <br>>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 10:26 PM, Jed Kelestron <<a ymailto="mailto:jedkelestron@gmail.com" href="mailto:jedkelestron@gmail.com">jedkelestron@gmail.com</a>><br>>>
wrote:<br>>> <br>>> Memories Dreams and Reflections. His autobiography.<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>>> On Mar 25, 2012, at 6:51 PM, David Morris <<a ymailto="mailto:fqmorris@gmail.com" href="mailto:fqmorris@gmail.com">fqmorris@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>> <br>>> I like, but source, please?<br>>> <br>>> On Sunday, March 25, 2012, Mark Kohut <<a ymailto="mailto:markekohut@yahoo.com" href="mailto:markekohut@yahoo.com">markekohut@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>> Seems he had a recurrent boyhood dream in which God<br>>>> would shit fromon high on the Cathedral at Basel.<br>>>> <br>>>> Now THAT'S "Shit,Money & the Word' ......<br>>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> -- <br>> "Less than any man have I excuse for prejudice; and I feel for all<br>> creeds the warm sympathy
of one who has come to learn that even the<br>> trust in reason is a precarious faith, and that we are all fragments<br>> of darkness groping for the sun. I know no more about the ultimates<br>> than the simplest urchin in the streets." -- Will Durant<br><br><br> </div> </div> </div></body></html>