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<br><br></div><div><br>On Mar 29, 2012, at 8:12 PM, David Morris <<a>fqmorris@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>I've not "read" the Red Book, only rolled in it's pictures.<div>
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<div><span>Back to Who might have read Wolin's The Seduction of Unreason? I have not. I may now, BUT I have read some Wolin and have heard him speak once. </span></div>
<div><span>I think I read some of Wolin's Benjamin book and I know I read some of the book on Heidegger he edited, since dealing with Heidegger was important to me.</span></div>
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<div><span>I have read other philosophers on the conceptual emptiness of Freud (and/or Jung by simple extension. That is, if the Unconscious goes, then the Collective</span></div>
<div><span>Unconscious goes..). Grunbaum was one. Frederick Crews--a literary guy previously cited here was another who turned on Freud(ianism)...</span></div>
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<div><span>I tell (usually to myself) one personal story. How, when I had first discovered such ideas as Freud's, and full of confusion and wanting to learn whatever "truth" was, </span><span>I had read Sartre who argued against Freud's conception of The Unconscious. I had a narrow, repressed upbringing,I say. So, I was young and away from home (for the first time) at university [in Toronto], yet </span><span>felt overtly so happy to be on my own, to be learning every day in a different country, full of life-and learning embracing happiness (it seemed). </span></div>
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<div><span>That year,the song--later to appear in Vineland---I'm So LonesomeI Could Cry was a pop chart hit. But I hated country music so I did not like it. Overtly. </span></div>
<div><span>upon hearing it after some while of it being played often,one day when I heard it, I was semi-overcome with an immense sadness. A feeling of home sickness</span></div>
<div><span>from the song's lyrics I came almost immediately to believe. </span></div>
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<div><span>Which convinced me that The Unconscious and some other ideas which the most logical philosophers and rationalists could refute with impeccable scientific </span></div>
<div><span>reasoning, often missed something else, something perhaps true but not so scientifically provable with---"you're gonna want cause and effect" (?)----and, more </span><span>literarily, "there are strangerthings in the world than in all of your philosophy,Horatio".......</span></div>
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<div><span>this is one reason I love Pynchon and one way I think he uses such as Freud and Jung........not JUST as conceits but as (some) truth carriers <var></var>metaphorically.......</span></div>
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</div><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">From:</span></b> Matthew Cissell <<a>macissell@yahoo.es</a>><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">To:</span></b> "<a>pynchon-l@waste.org</a>" <<a>pynchon-l@waste.org</a>> <br>
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:56 AM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: Speaking of Carl Jung<br></font></div><br>I agree completely. Of course the question is how much do you interrogate a text like Hegel's "Phenomenology of the Spirit" before going on to secondary sources, and with the load of secondary material how does one choose what to
read? This is where one needs the guidance provided by someone with experience and familiarity with the subject. In other words, a professor or mentor of some sort.<br>As a character Jung is very interesting. His writing deserves to be read. However, his ideas are hokum and the problem is that people continue to draw on them because they continue to be granted legitimacy from certain quarters.<br>
<br>I'd like to take a gander at the Red Book. Must be bizarre.<br><br>cheers Dave<br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: David Mo</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote>
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