Excellent. So, we are also victimized, but we might stumble into, what? What are the powers that we might stumble into, or that might overtake us, or become available to us, if we stumble out of "their control"? What a great fucking book!<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:34 PM, David Morris <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fqmorris@gmail.com" target="_blank">fqmorris@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
But remember, he was victimized. So stumbling might not be so random. He learned being controlled very early on. It's when he slipped from their control, into The Zone, that They wanted him dead. He was a loose golem, stumbling with new powers.<div class="im">
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<br>On Thursday, February 14, 2013, Keith Davis wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">Without reading the ending again, which is what has to happen to be clear about this, my impression is that Slothrop escaped from the idea of owning a personal identity, though it didn't have much to do with his making any effort to do so, it just happened organically as a result of the experiences he went through. Escaped isn't a good description. Fell from it? Leapt from it?<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Joseph Tracy <span dir="ltr"><<a>brook7@sover.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Or could Slothrop be an everyman and a made up somebody at the very same time?<br></div><div><div class="h5">
On Feb 13, 2013, at 6:00 PM, <a>MalignD@aol.com</a> wrote:<br>
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> In which case, none of us is a Slothrop in that none of us is a singular case. We are all victims of the same experiment.<br>
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> To: Paul Mackin <<a>mackin.paul@verizon.net</a>><br>
> Cc: pynchon-l <<a>pynchon-l@waste.org</a>><br>
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> Ours is the first generation in human history to be raised consuming petrochemicals in the midst of almost uninterrupted nuclear fallout. What makes you think you haven't been experimented upon is called denial in the psychoanalytic parlance.<br>
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> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Paul Mackin <<a>mackin.paul@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> On 2/12/2013 11:14 PM, Michael Bailey wrote:<br>
> On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 5:47 PM, <<a>malignd@aol.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> We are not all the semi-famous Baby Tyrone who was handed over to be the<br>
> subject of experimentation. Certanly I wasn't. You, I don 't know ...<br>
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> We are all experimented on as children.<br>
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> well, as a lad, my cousin experimented on me by putting my finger in a<br>
> vise and tightening it until I got a blood blister. Setting a<br>
> lifelong pattern, I stood there amiably and bemusedly, almost savoring<br>
> the feeling, until he tired of the experiment and opened the vise.<br>
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> Somehow our parents got word of it - I don't remember making a fuss -<br>
> and he was administered gentle verbal correction -- another<br>
> experiment, nobody knows how that sort of thing will turn out, but he<br>
> grew up to be a kindly adult with whom I converse fearlessly.<br>
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> My younger sister once rendered me semiconscious swinging a stringed pupet around in the air. Hard ceramic material of some sort. I never told on her of course.<br>
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