<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto"><STRONG>Andrew Cohen</STRONG><FONT color=#999999> <SPAN>â€</SPAN></FONT><SPAN class="username js-action-profile-name"><FONT size=2><S><FONT color=#bbbbbb>@</FONT></S><FONT color=#999999>CBSAndrew</FONT></FONT></SPAN><FONT color=#999999> </FONT><SMALL class=time><A class="tweet-timestamp js-permalink js-nav" title="2:41 PM - 18 Aug 13" href="http://us-mg4.mail.yahoo.com/CBSAndrew/status/369182308537864192"><SPAN class="_timestamp js-short-timestamp js-relative-timestamp" jQuery183013348953049506118="1021" data-time="1376854896" data-long-form="true"><FONT color=#999999>1m</FONT></SPAN></A> </SMALL></div>
<div class="js-tweet-text tweet-text">Unfortunately, Vollman's fascinating piece, "Life as a Terrorist," won't be posted online until this Thursday, August 22nd.</div>
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<DIV>Franzen retreated into social realism, with welcome touches of the comic. He does what he does but it's not on a level with P. or DFW or WTV -- Europe Central is a masterpiece and I hope he lives to finish the Seven Dreams.</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 18, 2013 6:43 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Franzen and Pynchon</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>A-and Franzen has to know he's not even playing in the same league! It's hard to imagine any American writer not being "influenced" and/or in awe of Pynchon and Gaddis, but of course the challenge is to move beyond, through...not get stuck in.<BR><BR>There are some examples: Vollman springs to mind (his "You Bright and Risen Angels" was certainly influenced by TRP, but he has gone off on a frolic of his own (with mixed, but always fascinating) results. Foster Wallace is another example. There are many others.<BR>
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<DIV><B>Date: </B>Sat, 17 Aug 2013 20:16:00 -0400</DIV>
<DIV><B>To: </B>Lemuel Underwing<luunderwing@gmail.com></DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc: </B>Joseph Tracy<brook7@sover.net>; P-list List<pynchon-l@waste.org></DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject: </B>Re: Franzen and Pynchon</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Malcolm Lowry was practically driven to despair by as he saw it the onerous influence of past masters. Figured Franzen got it out of his system with his excoriation of William Gaddis in the New Yorker. Guess Franzen hasn't<BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv3372388454gmail_quote>On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 7:37 PM, Lemuel Underwing <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:luunderwing@gmail.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:luunderwing@gmail.com">luunderwing@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>I have a subscription and ran out to the mailbox after reading your post, Joseph. <BR></DIV>My goodness was that article unbearable.... Franzen never casts off Pynchon, and is effectively subsumed by him along with others, I don't know how he got so popular except as perhaps a "Fad"...<BR><BR></DIV>That said I still enjoy Harpers, if only because I currently cannot afford a sub. to Lapham's Quarterly...<BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv3372388454gmail_quote>On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Joseph Tracy <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:brook7@sover.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:brook7@sover.net">brook7@sover.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=yiv3372388454gmail_quote>There is an article in the new Harper's(sept 2013) by J Franzen titled A Different Kind of Father in which he reviews the role of Pynchon as a literary "father" he later rejected.<BR><BR>The issue also has a good article by William Vollman on his experience with the FBI and Border Agents along with FOIA research into his FBI files. For no discernible reason he was a suspect in the unabomber case. Not quite Slothrop but Kafkaesque with a side of Marx brothers.</BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV><BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></div></body></html>