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<br></div><div><br>On Sunday, October 6, 2013, Fiona Shnapple wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><br>No, I'm talking about the Left. </div>
<div> </div><div> </div><div>The Left would like to claim a radical heritage (Mother Jones), attack the capitalists, the privileged classes, the establishment, that includes the Liberals who co-opt and take credit, but the Left is the enemy of basic political change.</div>
<div> </div><div>Good day to you, Sir. </div><div> </div><div><br> </div><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Robin Landseadel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'robinlandseadel@comcast.net');" target="_blank">robinlandseadel@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class="gmail_quote">You are speaking of liberals, something distinct from the left.<br>
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In any case, we are at cross purposes. Good day.<br>
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And Anti-Oedipus speaks of self-destructive forces, as regards the totems of power, that disable the "Left of the<div><div><br>
On Oct 6, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Fiona Shnapple wrote:<br>
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You said that we were mis-reading by reading irony or satire into the author's political statements. Do you seriously think that left content of the kind P addresses in his writings is aligned with Mother Jones magazine. Journalists?<br>
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We've narrowly escaped a Great Depression, and where is the Left? In court, not fighting for the poor, the working poor, but one another. Millions in the balance.<br>
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No, I'm sorry, the Left sold us out. Look to Wisconsin. Look at how the Left sold out those brave Chicago teachers. How the sell out the rank and file in nyc. The Left content?<br>
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In that intro to 1985 P describes Orwell as left of the left. The left in the us, and in nyc, is right of center.<br>
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The characters carry the weight. Call them toons, it doesn't matter. Why do Ernie's daughters marry the men they marry? Why do they turn on their parents, on the poor people, the old folks living in the rent controlled apartments.<br>
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The dude on the single sprocket bike, delivering, hated by the mayor, he may be a toon, but he carries a heavy theme.<br>
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On Sunday, October 6, 2013, Robin Landseadel wrote:<br>
Well then excuse me, of course the author shades all his characters with various degrees of pun potential and whatnot, al la Jay Ward cartoon studios.<br>
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I guess I'm pointing to Left Content as opposed to Left Cartoons. Pynchon is nothing if not a master of cartoons. I mean seriously—Al-Mar_Fuad, pg. 757, Against the Day?<br>
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I have hardly cracked DeLeuze 'n' Guattari, "Vineland" has a splendid and very telling citation—[Jesus Fucking Christ, you're making me look up this shit again]—From an online resource near you!<br>
" . . . Deleuze and Guattari are named in Vineland at the wedding of Mafioso Ralph Wayvone's daughter as authors of The Italian Wedding Fake Book, to which Billy Barf and Vomitones (disguised as Gino Baglione and the Paisans) resort when it becomes clear that they do not know any appropriate songs for an Italian wedding. They are only mentioned once, without elaboration, and it may be only another Pynchonesque throwaway, but if we follow the logic from Sister Rochelle's "Let her be" to Heidegger, the Beatles, and the Rolling Stones, the reference to Deleuze and Guattari extends the Vineland's exploration of how to contend with the "Cosmic Fascist" which has contaminated sex, politics, and representation.<br>
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