Read Atlantic's article "What ISIS Wants."  The key takeaway is that ISIS needs expanding territory in order to not over milk limited $$ of a finite turf. ISIS needs nonetheless, but w/o expanded turf, it will crumble from within. It will be overthrown from within.<div><br></div><div>David Morris<br><br>On Friday, November 27, 2015, Paul Mackin <<a href="mailto:mackin.paul@gmail.com">mackin.paul@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I think, in the simplest terms, what the Middle East wants is for<br>
the West to just buy oil and otherwise mind its own business. The<br>
West can't do that. There's that persistent and to them quite sinister<br>
thing from our Christian past, that of Conversion. And by the sword if<br>
necessary. Make everyone think and behave like the West. I guess the<br>
only possible next move is the good old tried and true Peace Process.<br>
It might only slow things down course. Peace yesterday, peace<br>
tomorrow. Only the peace process today.<br>
<br>
P<br>
<br>
On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Ian Livingston<br>
<<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'igrlivingston@gmail.com')">igrlivingston@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> only an honest definition of the similarities and differences in what the<br>
>> US and its allies are doing and have done and what the Muslim groups are<br>
>> doing will begin the process of understanding.<br>
><br>
> For the most part, I'm inclined to agree with Joseph, here, but this last<br>
> phrase from Ish really hits the mark, imo. No country in the West has<br>
> offered a full and coherent statement of their intentions in the Middle<br>
> East, and I have encountered none published here of what anti-Western<br>
> combatants and supporters earnestly desire as an outcome of their efforts<br>
> and sacrifices. The absence of understanding encourages resistance and<br>
> resistance, it seems inevitably, increases force. Mayhem ensues. It's not<br>
> even an effective means of population reduction. Understanding and knowledge<br>
> of the similarities the other shares with the self can unravel conflict.<br>
><br>
> On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 7:01 AM, ish mailian <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'ishmailian@gmail.com')">ishmailian@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Right. So, we can't use the word "terrorism" to describe the US atomic<br>
>> bombs dropped on Japan, any more than the term should be applied to the<br>
>> bombings of Iraq, Vietnam....the bombing of Doctors Without Boarders, of<br>
>> schools and so on by the US. Same goes for the US use of torture & Co.<br>
>><br>
>> Too much distinction is lost, though, of course, the rhetorical use is<br>
>> effective, in a rant, say, or in a headline or propaganda film on Youtube.<br>
>><br>
>> Those who call the US the greatest terrorist nation in the world may hope<br>
>> to turn the phrase, one the US and its allies use to demonize other nations<br>
>> and groups, and score a point, but only an honest definition of the<br>
>> similarities and differences in what the US and its allies are doing and<br>
>> have done and what the Muslim groups are doing will begin the process of<br>
>> understanding.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 8:30 AM, Mark Kohut <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'mark.kohut@gmail.com')">mark.kohut@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Yeah, the U.S. Record is atrocious. Looking up bombing under the Geneva<br>
>>> conventions, one quickly learns what one knew: atomic bombs that ended WW2<br>
>>> were ...war crimes.<br>
>>><br>
>>> No official international treaties cover strategic bombing. Principles of<br>
>>> necessity and proportionality and attempts to warn citizens are governing<br>
>>> principles.<br>
>>><br>
>>> It's all a shithole of death.<br>
>>><br>
>>> But courses have been changed. Some principles have been followed.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Sent from my iPad<br>
>>><br>
>>> > On Nov 27, 2015, at 12:12 AM, Joseph Tracy <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'brook7@sover.net')">brook7@sover.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > So what exactly does the word terrorism mean? Give me a definition.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Also what is a “rantâ€.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > When you talk about what “we “ have been able to do since ww2, who are<br>
>>> > you talking about. Do the politicians and CIA and Pentagon consult with<br>
>>> > you. At any rate I find the international record of the US government after<br>
>>> > ww2 to be mostly horrible.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> ><br>
>>> ><br>
>>> >> On Nov 26, 2015, at 8:31 AM, ish mailian <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'ishmailian@gmail.com')">ishmailian@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> The diversity of approaches can't be ignored, and labeling one, the<br>
>>> >> bombing and droning by America, for example, as "terrorism", while an<br>
>>> >> effective rhetorical strategy to counter the American propaganda that seeks<br>
>>> >> to paste this label on its current targets, is counterproductive.<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> War, not only destroys communities, wastes resources, and so on, it<br>
>>> >> compounds the difficulties that are naturally and inherently present in<br>
>>> >> communication across cultures, as fundamental differences about human<br>
>>> >> communities become ideologically rigid by the exercise of power and the use<br>
>>> >> of violence and intimidation (terror).<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> That said, the end of violence, while a necessary step, one that will<br>
>>> >> stop making matters worse, will also bring more complexity to the problem,<br>
>>> >> and even more approaches to solving it. The peace process will admit more<br>
>>> >> voices, more groups, more diversity.<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> Human rights, justice, independence, self-determination, security,<br>
>>> >> education, freedom....these are not going to flourish once the west ceases<br>
>>> >> the bombing and droning. To achieve these, is, of course, much more<br>
>>> >> difficult than waging wars.<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> Fortunately, we have some decent models. While never perfect, we can<br>
>>> >> look to what we have been able to do, since WWII, and work for a lasting<br>
>>> >> peace in this troubled region of the world. We will need Russia and China<br>
>>> >> and others to get it done. And, while I doubt it will happen, that's what<br>
>>> >> it will take. To dismiss the West and the whites, and smear them all with<br>
>>> >> trumpings makes for good headlines in a tabloid, rants.....nothing more....<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> Aside from the ranting, there are advantages to the privileged who can<br>
>>> >> articulate their grievances and capitalize on the plight of the poor and<br>
>>> >> powerless, who are, of course, disproportionately, people of color in the<br>
>>> >> US, but we've seen this movie before. Pynchon wrote a novel about it.<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 7:37 AM, ish mailian <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'ishmailian@gmail.com')">ishmailian@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>> >> wrote:<br>
>>> >> So send in ground troops? That won't work. More importantly, tt won't<br>
>>> >> prevent the thing you most want to stop, the killing of citizens,<br>
>>> >> non-combatants. War is not the answer. Peace is the answer. Can we make<br>
>>> >> peace with all these parties and factions? No. So there is no way out of<br>
>>> >> this. It will never end. We have to live with it best we can. Stop the<br>
>>> >> bombing and droning, stop the funding and arms sales, stop tearing down<br>
>>> >> governments, propping puppets. This won't wash the West of blood or absolve<br>
>>> >> it from the bloody civil and regional wars that will continue, worsen<br>
>>> >> perhaps, but art least the west can get on with the business of money.<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 11:36 PM, Joseph Tracy <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'brook7@sover.net')">brook7@sover.net</a>><br>
>>> >> wrote:<br>
>>> >> I never said Al Qaeda or BinLaden were responding in kind. I said Isis<br>
>>> >> was. But I think it is you who fails to understand moral equivalence. You<br>
>>> >> seem to think that The US can murder hundreds of thousands in a nation that<br>
>>> >> neither attacked nor threatened them and expect to be safe themselves. What<br>
>>> >> about the wealthy 'freedom fighters' of recent US history and their idiotic<br>
>>> >> reasons for starting wars. What about the mass killing in Gaza? What about<br>
>>> >> our support for Mubarak, the Shah, the Saudis. What about the estimated<br>
>>> >> million children who starved due to our blockade of Iraq. What about our<br>
>>> >> torture? Why isn’t the same kind of outrage over Paris directed at the US<br>
>>> >> killing of Doctors and patients in the MSF hospital? Isn’t it that we don’t<br>
>>> >> want to look at our own crimes and stupidity and violence, or to question<br>
>>> >> the nasty behavior of the US military?<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> Fuck america’s ignorant and murderous self-righteousness. And the<br>
>>> >> same for the French leader who started bombing in Libya and the ISIS<br>
>>> >> territories. He risked his civilian citizens when he rained bombs on cities<br>
>>> >> which have more non-combatant civilians than Isis fighters. What he did was<br>
>>> >> just as bad as what they did.<br>
>>> >>Â The only way to fight a group like this without collective punishment<br>
>>> >> is on the ground, following the Geneva accord to avoid civilian casualties,<br>
>>> >> and followed by the kind of economic aid given to Japan and Germany. That is<br>
>>> >> very costly, but the bombing is pure terrorism and begets more of the same.<br>
>>> >> Both Bush and Obama had the stated strategy , on which billions was spent,<br>
>>> >> of training the Iraqi army to handle internal threats. Before that it was<br>
>>> >> massive bombing and a large ground war. None of these strategies has brought<br>
>>> >> the stated goals. Neither will this new bombing campaign.<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >>> On Nov 25, 2015, at 9:14 PM, Mark Kohut <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'mark.kohut@gmail.com')">mark.kohut@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> >>><br>
>>> >>> " They" claimed?---not any I believed ...and ISIS out of Al---Qaeda<br>
>>> >>> would NOT have happened if we had not bombed? ( not that I believe we should<br>
>>> >>> have bombed Iraq, but I say nothing would have stopped ISIS from happening.<br>
>>> >>> And the most major difficulty is stopping/destroying a transnational group<br>
>>> >>> such as Al--Qaeda formed by a wealthy 'freedom fighter' who fought the<br>
>>> >>> Russians whose ideology held Westernism---your life and mine---as an evil in<br>
>>> >>> itself....and who " responded in kind" to our having military bases in Saudi<br>
>>> >>> Arabia, an ally, by knocking down the World Trade Center and killing 3000. “<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> He claimed also to be responding to Israel’s treatment of<br>
>>> >> Palestinians. Many westerners, avid for war, describe Islam in the same<br>
>>> >> way,â€an evil in itself". All militaristic cultures fill themselves with the<br>
>>> >> same lies in order to control land, gain power and enrich themselves at<br>
>>> >> others expense.<br>
>>> >>> IN kind" shows you don't get " moral equivalence" in any way.<br>
>>> >>><br>
>>> >>> Sent from my iPad<br>
>>> >>><br>
>>> >>>> On Nov 25, 2015, at 8:23 PM, Joseph Tracy <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'brook7@sover.net')">brook7@sover.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> >>>><br>
>>> >>>> I think you are dreaming when it comes to Obama and global warming.<br>
>>> >>>> Under enormous political pressure he finally canned the tar sands pipeline,<br>
>>> >>>> but has dramatically increased fracking and continued gulf oil operations<br>
>>> >>>> despite the spill and also opened the arctic. He talks one way and acts<br>
>>> >>>> another in virtually every issue.<br>
>>> >>>><br>
>>> >>>> The problem with bombing is it is wildly indiscriminate and kills<br>
>>> >>>> many civilians. US bombs in Syria have killed many more civilians than were<br>
>>> >>>> killed in all Isis attacks on westerners. We are also bombing and doing<br>
>>> >>>> drone missile strikes in Yemen, Afghanistan, Africa etc.<br>
>>> >>>> If you want to make war you need to do all that is possible to avoid<br>
>>> >>>> civilian deaths or you are just terrorists with uniforms and jets.<br>
>>> >>>> Collective punishment is evil.<br>
>>> >>>><br>
>>> >>>> The sad truth is that the US is still the major planetary terrorist<br>
>>> >>>> of the last 2 decades and ISIS is simply responding in kind. You seem to<br>
>>> >>>> approve of the very tactics that led to these attacks.<br>
>>> >>>><br>
>>> >>>> The Syrian rebels you speak of have absorbed into ISIS or decimated<br>
>>> >>>> to virtual non-existence.<br>
>>> >>>><br>
>>> >>>> You want to imagine that this utterly horrible policy of solving all<br>
>>> >>>> conflicts with bombs will magically work this time? They claimed it had<br>
>>> >>>> worked in Iraq right up until ISIS proved them to be liars and idiots.<br>
>>> >>>><br>
>>> >>>><br>
>>> >>>>> that does not destabilize us.<br>
>>> >>>>> On Nov 25, 2015, at 7:29 PM, Mark Kohut <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'mark.kohut@gmail.com')">mark.kohut@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>> >>>>> wrote:<br>
>>> >>>>> paris, beirut and the Russian plane show they are a global threat,<br>
>>> >>>>> imho. I do not know what else<br>
>>> >>>>> to do but soldiers on the ground means more deaths and no<br>
>>> >>>>> resolution<br>
>>> >>>>><br>
>>> >>>>> Obama has clearly spoken against Us Military dominance. I do not<br>
>>> >>>>> know<br>
>>> >>>>> how self-governance will take hold,<br>
>>> >>>>> unless the Syrian rebels take down Assad and make it happen.<br>
>>> >>>>><br>
>>> >>>>> The move off oil--and to other sources of energy---has been<br>
>>> >>>>> happening<br>
>>> >>>>> and accelerated by Obama.<br>
>>> >>>>><br>
>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Joseph Tracy <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'brook7@sover.net')">brook7@sover.net</a>><br>
>>> >>>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>> >>>>>>><br>
>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 25, 2015, at 4:40 PM, Mark Kohut <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'mark.kohut@gmail.com')">mark.kohut@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>> >>>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>> >>>>>>><br>
>>> >>>>>>> Is ISIS an existential global threat, in your mind. And what is<br>
>>> >>>>>>> to be<br>
>>> >>>>>>> done if it is?<br>
>>> >>>>>> ISIS has clearly reached its limits as a regional force and<br>
>>> >>>>>> millions are fleeing the area. They are refugees from ISIS, from drought,<br>
>>> >>>>>> from bombs, from the Syrian army and from the Iraqi army. So the fact that<br>
>>> >>>>>> ISIS is ruling by terror and ideological solidarity over such an<br>
>>> >>>>>> inhospitable and deadly region is hardly an existential threat.<br>
>>> >>>>>><br>
>>> >>>>>> What is to be done? Not bombs, not drones, not coalitions with the<br>
>>> >>>>>> dictatorial monarchy that bred Isis and Al Qaeda. Not regime change with a<br>
>>> >>>>>> new set of Generals and dickhead dictators. These have been tried again and<br>
>>> >>>>>> again. Our policies in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Libya and Iraq have failed<br>
>>> >>>>>> miserably, and yet more of that is what is proposed by Obama and the<br>
>>> >>>>>> Republicans. Part of the problem here is that some things can’t be fixed any<br>
>>> >>>>>> more than people can be brought back from the dead.<br>
>>> >>>>>><br>
>>> >>>>>> If the nations of the earth truly want to disarm ISIS and bring<br>
>>> >>>>>> justice to the region it would require ground troops with a high commitment<br>
>>> >>>>>> to the Geneva conventions and a willingness to address the original<br>
>>> >>>>>> injustices to regional Sunni Arabs. Clearly the civil war between Shia and<br>
>>> >>>>>> Sunni Iraqis did not resolve the problems in Iraq following the massive<br>
>>> >>>>>> destruction of the war. Despite plenty of weapons, training and money the<br>
>>> >>>>>> government of Iraq could not stop the seizure of control by the ISIS<br>
>>> >>>>>> fighters.<br>
>>> >>>>>><br>
>>> >>>>>> US policy needs to change dramatically away from global military<br>
>>> >>>>>> dominance toward creating a working model of a just middle class peaceable<br>
>>> >>>>>> multi-ethnic, tolerant republic/democracy/ parliamentary socialism/whatever<br>
>>> >>>>>> we choose in a reasonably non-corrupt self governing process. We need to<br>
>>> >>>>>> lead toward renewable energy and local full spectrum green economies. Either<br>
>>> >>>>>> we move toward something like that or we continue on the path to globally<br>
>>> >>>>>> destructive wars for dominance, resource extraction, and an ecological death<br>
>>> >>>>>> spiral.<br>
>>> >>>>>><br>
>>> >>>>>><br>
>>> >>>>>><br>
>>> >>>>>><br>
>>> >>>>>><br>
>>> >>>>>>><br>
>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Joseph Tracy<br>
>>> >>>>>>>> <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'brook7@sover.net')">brook7@sover.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> >>>>>>>> Calling people knuckle draggers may have some accuracy and offer<br>
>>> >>>>>>>> some comic release, but are our problems really coming from the<br>
>>> >>>>>>>> semi-literate? Is the US Military and our campaigns of mass obliteration<br>
>>> >>>>>>>> and drone warfare in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and now Isis controlled<br>
>>> >>>>>>>> regions the product of semi-literacy or even the Republicans? The votes and<br>
>>> >>>>>>>> financing came from both parties, many lawyers, many newspeople. My feeling<br>
>>> >>>>>>>> is that Trump is just like Netanyahu, a shrewd public power broker who knows<br>
>>> >>>>>>>> fear and war are the ultimate political drug, and voices openly the<br>
>>> >>>>>>>> xenopobic hate mongering that produced the blowback.<br>
>>> >>>>>>>> Many educated people are as addicted to denial and military<br>
>>> >>>>>>>> violence and the racism of neglect as the more obviously ignorant followers<br>
>>> >>>>>>>> of Trump and Cruz.. The Paris attacks have produced an ugly willingness to<br>
>>> >>>>>>>> keep bombing regardless of how man regional civilians die, and that<br>
>>> >>>>>>>> willingness goes across the political spectrum.<br>
>>> >>>>>>>><br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2015, at 8:09 PM, David Kilroy<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'thesaintgodard@gmail.com')">thesaintgodard@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>><br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> "It's clear now that the Paris attacks enormously energized the<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Trumpist movement. He's now speculating openly about invading Syria. Trump's<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> proposals have gone from overt prejudice to things literally taken out of<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> late Weimar history — closure of mosques and a national Muslim database. The<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> rank-and-file have both fed off and stoked this behavior. When a lone<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> protester started chanting "black lives matter" at a Trump rally, Trumpists<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> jumped him (he was luckily not badly injured). Trump later said, "Maybe he<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> should have been roughed up." Hours later he lied about witnessing Muslim<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> crowds celebrating 9/11, and retweeted nonsense racist garbage from a<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> literal neo-Nazi."<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>><br>
>>> >>>>>>>>><br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> <a href="http://theweek.com/articles/590497/donald-trumps-alarming-skid-toward-outright-fascism" target="_blank">http://theweek.com/articles/590497/donald-trumps-alarming-skid-toward-outright-fascism</a><br>
>>> >>>>>>>>><br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> After decades of being allowed to stockpile arms with<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> increasingly little federal interference, a general escalation in the<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> violent rhetoric of the right, and shrill sponsorship from the NRA,<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> semiliterate knuckle-draggers are only too eager to start a race /<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> "religious" war in the U.S., and the candidates, allowed to start their<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> noisome campaigns two years in advance of an actual election, are only<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> egging them on.<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>><br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> I live in a state where black churches were burned, in a city<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> with clear color lines. I'm not afraid of black people. I'm afraid of<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> shitheads teething for glory.<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>><br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 7:37 PM, David Kilroy<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'thesaintgodard@gmail.com')">thesaintgodard@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Apologies for harping on this point. Know that I do. But it<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> frankly terrifies me.<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>><br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 7:17 PM, David Kilroy<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'thesaintgodard@gmail.com')">thesaintgodard@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> (shades of Lot 49, too: recall the swastika armbands)<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>><br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 7:16 PM, David Kilroy<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'thesaintgodard@gmail.com')">thesaintgodard@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> The tech sector's too "What, me worry?" about the problem.<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>><br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Anonymity in comments threads, Craigslist, 4chan, Reddit et al<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> permit open promulgation of hate speech. Most sites, when confronted about<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> the problem, cite free speech as a concern when the fact is they don't want<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> to face the added hassle of verifying accounts and making people responsible<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> for their words.<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>><br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> There's a massive network of these shitheads armed for a race<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> riot and no-one seems to want to stop them.<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>><br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Steven Koteff<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'steviekoteff@gmail.com')">steviekoteff@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot for this, Mark. Reading it now, and I agree with<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> you. Very smart and sadder for it.<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>><br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Mark Kohut<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'mark.kohut@gmail.com')">mark.kohut@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Charlie Pierce on the Powder Keg that is the United States of<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> America<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> right now<br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> <a href="http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a39987/america-race-powderkeg/" target="_blank">http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a39987/america-race-powderkeg/</a><br>
>>> >>>>>>>>> …<br>
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>>> >>>>>>>>><br>
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