<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">MK> <span style="font-size:12.8px">Pirate's...</span><span style="font-size:12.8px"> gut... feeling of solitude and self-distancing </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">from his mates</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">This is not my beautiful feast of gallant comrades!</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">This is not my beautiful "Derring-Do of WWII" scenario!</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:small">When I was getting my cultural bearings in the 1960s (very much shaped, natch, by Big Names of the 1940s and 1950s), "alienation" was THE master term. Starting a century earlier with Marx's formulation in terms of capitalism, class, and loss of autonomy<br></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:small"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx%27s_theory_of_alienation">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx%27s_theory_of_alienation</a><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">It had permeated every corner of sociology, psychology, literature and cultural studies (with a lot of changing inflection along the way, but that's Big Ideas for you).</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">Pynchon gathers all those flavors of alienation, distills them, and mainlines the result into the brain and heart simultaneously. Every one of his important characters has these signature moments: Not only do I "not belong,' but I no longer know whether the context I thought I belonged in is terribly random and meaningless, or terribly controlled and purposeful.</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">Which prompts doubts that any revolution, Marxist or cultural or sexual, could restore my "belonging."</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">The personal is the political is the paranoiac, and thrice versa. </div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">  </div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 7:03 AM, Mark Kohut <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mark.kohut@gmail.com" target="_blank">mark.kohut@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>page 11. </div>This seems the place where we can't leave Pirate's possible freelancing without pointing out how<div>Pynchon, surprisingly, has him hit spontaneously--possessively, in the gut, by a feeling of solitude and self-distancing</div><div>from his mates.</div><div><br></div><div>Alienation from a group, a psychological precondition for freelancing---and an early P clue? </div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Monte Davis <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:montedavis49@gmail.com" target="_blank">montedavis49@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">A-and what if that dreaming fantasist-surrogate were an *unreliable narrator*, eh? [insert Groucho business with eyebrows and cigar]</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">One reason I keep pulling at ontological threads is that Duyfhuizen's "Starry-Eyed Semiotics" hit me like a truck in 1981. There's a big difference between the version that >90% of GR summaries still use: </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">"Slothrop's erections/sexual encounters anticipate the location of every V-2 strike, arousing the interest of a bunch of espionage and psychological-warfare types"</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">,,,and "A bunch of spies and PR types *convince themselves* that Slothrop's map proves that, although demonstrably it doesn't." For me, the latter shifts my entire reading a considerable distance from "conspiracies in history" toward a more Oedipa-like  "our need/fear of conspiracies, because their absence is worse."</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Which reminds me: the other day I pointed to Pirate's reading of the V-mail, and joked about it being "tantamount to an order from the highest levels." In fact, "there's a time given, a place, a request for help" -- so in point of [fictional] fact, it seems to be a "pull me out" message from Katje, who presumably slipped the message into (or had it slipped into) a V-2 near the Hague. <span style="background-color:transparent">It's Pirate's own sense of duty to his people (what John Le Carre would call an agent's "joes") that makes it tantamount to an order -- which it isn't. I don't think there's any evidence either way to show that SOE HQ concurs, or even knows the contents of the capsule.</span> </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Which suggests, in turn, the possibility that well before the emergence of the Counterforce late in the novel, Pirate may be freelancing. And that for all the IG Farben-Shell-GE linkages, for all the capitalized "They" and "the Firm" and "the War," for everything in the book that encourages grand unified paranoia,we might do well to be alert also for clues to cross-conspiracies, failed conspiracies, and seeming conspiracies that aren't.</div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Ray Easton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:raymond.lee.easton@gmail.com" target="_blank">raymond.lee.easton@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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'ontological questions' about fiction are in any case (and by this category
I mean to include even such apparently straightforward questions as
"How old is Gertie McDowell?"), but surely here, in a novel that begins
with a dream dreamt (apparently) by a fantasist-surrogate, 'ontological
questions' would seem to be especially difficult to answer.<br>
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GR has so many dreams, fantasies, and more or less<br>
> explicit hallucinations that the question
"Did X 'really happen' or did<br>
> character Y imagine
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