<div dir="ltr">I wasnt aware of that but considering the nature of the insurance business who would be surprised. Essentially that what all this risk management business is about. I term I love is leverage in the financial sense--you have it you're fucked, but if you don't have it you're still fucked. <br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 4:32 PM, ish mailian <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ishmailian@gmail.com" target="_blank">ishmailian@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Rich,<br>
<br>
Selling short or bets in favor of disaster are not a recent invention.<br>
That finance, including shorting and credit default swaps and the<br>
like, is more important today than it was in 1930 is obviously true,<br>
but that people and firms could only recently bet on a default event<br>
or failure and then cause it, or at least, push the odds in their<br>
favor, even if this meant the death and misery of millions, well,<br>
this isn't the case. There were, for example, firms who made huge<br>
profits when ships failed to deliver goods, even human workers, to<br>
market because pirates or mutiny or an act of god prevented safe<br>
passage. Shorting is nothing new under the sun.<br>
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On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 4:20 PM, rich <<a href="mailto:richard.romeo@gmail.com">richard.romeo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 2:57 PM, Monte Davis <<a href="mailto:montedavis49@gmail.com">montedavis49@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hyper-technically, the Auschwitz complex --Â almost 50 camps in all and<br>
>> hybrid,as you say -- was originally a concentration camp (Auschwitz I) for<br>
>> Polish political prisoners, added the Auschwitz II-Birkenau cluster as<br>
>> prison then extermination camp for Jews and Gypsies, then added Auschwitz<br>
>> III-Monowitz as slave labor camp for IG Farben's synthtic-rubber factory..<br>
>> which is why Primo Levi, an Italian Jew and a skilled chemist, survived at<br>
>> Monowitz rather than dying at Birkenau. Mixed priorities...<br>
><br>
> __________<br>
> thanks, Monte. I realize we are speaking of such unspeakable things in terms<br>
> of word usage and definitions but to follow your point I agree that the<br>
> approach to genocide was never consistent, very much contradictory, yet for<br>
> all that still operating at the pinnacle of soul-crushing brutality.<br>
><br>
>><br>
>> Why not follow up on your sense that P's "systems...markets" message<br>
>> "can't really digest the insanity of Nazi racial policy and ideology"? Why<br>
>> not question yout implicit premise that systems and markets are by their<br>
>> nature sane and rational? Recall my earlier point on Blackett's "you can't<br>
>> run a war on gusts of emotion": that the German V-weapon campaign and the<br>
>> US-UK city-bombing campaign *were not rational uses of economic and military<br>
>> resources,* no matter how much technology and organization went into them.<br>
>> They were supposed to be answers to "how do we win the war?", but in fact<br>
>> were answers to "how do we HURT THE ENEMY?" They were highly organized,<br>
>> rationally implemented gusts of emotion. Likewise, all those trains taking<br>
>> Jews to the death camps could have more profitably been supplying the<br>
>> Wehrmacht on the Eastern Front -- except that the felt threat from the Jews<br>
>> was beyond or beneath rationality, deeper and darker than that from the Red<br>
>> Army.<br>
><br>
><br>
> I'm not trying to be coy or flippant but markets and systems do have their<br>
> own sense of logic. at the time no economic system made sense by the<br>
> dispatch of useful resources, even for evil purposes. how would that benefit<br>
> Them? Of course, today with short-selling and essentially making money off<br>
> things going to shit, yes now folks can make a bundle as things of concern<br>
> go down the shitter.<br>
> I'm still of two minds when it comes to Allied bombing--how do we win the<br>
> war and hurting the enemy do sort've go hand in hand. and as we know, its<br>
> flesh and blood folks doing the planning so i'm not sure how anyone can<br>
> avoid such gusts of emotion. Like my feeling about Hersh and the killing of<br>
> Bin Laden, considering where the bombs were being dropped--on Nazi Germany,<br>
> well its hard for me not to say they had it coming. but its not for me to<br>
> say<br>
> ------------<br>
> 'Rather than saying Pynchon *couldn't* deal with the Holocaust directly<br>
> because he'd chosen an approach based on the primacy of rational systems,<br>
> markets, cost/benefit calculations, etc... consider the possibility that<br>
> he's questioning how rational they really are. The peculiar horror of the<br>
> Holocaust, after all, was not mass murder -- Rwanda or Cambodia or the<br>
> partition of India will do for that -- but the *juxtaposition* of mass<br>
> murder with an "advanced" European nation's highly organized, systematic<br>
> implementation. You propose that people using technology and rationality to<br>
> do insane things poses a problem for Pynchon in GR; I think it's at the<br>
> heart of the book.'<br>
><br>
> me: working people to death, exploiting them for all their worth makes<br>
> rational sense economically--in that sense its not insane. of course, its<br>
> immoral wrong inhumane, etc etc. To those benefiting from such a system,<br>
> 'Them', it's cool. What doesnt make sense for Them is hauling thousands of<br>
> people across Europe to be immediately put to death. The War is a<br>
> continuation of markets, nothing more. Many made bundles working for or<br>
> being a Nazi but the core of the movement, and for a good portion of people,<br>
> to the endgame in 1945, it was an ideological state of mind that went beyond<br>
> the continuation of markets. That is what I think Pynchon, purposefully or<br>
> not, sidesteps.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
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