<div dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:41 AM, Mark Kohut <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mark.kohut@gmail.com" target="_blank">mark.kohut@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Here's "Mad Dog' Bertie on receiving Dr. Sargant's book. </div><div><br></div><a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=eogqBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA394&dq=Dr.+William+Sargant&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiLwauvwIHNAhUIcz4KHReHC_MQ6AEIUTAK#v=onepage&q=Dr.%20William%20Sargant&f=false" target="_blank">https://books.google.com/books?id=eogqBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA394&dq=Dr.+William+Sargant&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiLwauvwIHNAhUIcz4KHReHC_MQ6AEIUTAK#v=onepage&q=Dr.%20William%20Sargant&f=false</a><br><div><br></div><div>Here's another perspective: </div><div><h3 style="font-size:18px;font-weight:normal;margin:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-left:0px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;white-space:nowrap"><a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=E6G7BAAAQBAJ&pg=PT107&dq=%22Dr.+William+Sargant%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjXosLxwYHNAhWrzIMKHRO0ANMQ6AEILjAD" style="color:rgb(102,0,153);text-decoration:none" target="_blank">Amputated Souls: The Psychiatric Assault on Liberty 1935-2011</a></h3><div style="max-width:48em;color:rgb(84,84,84);line-height:18px"><div><div style="border:1px solid rgb(235,235,235);float:left;overflow:hidden;margin-top:4px;min-height:80px;width:53px"><a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=E6G7BAAAQBAJ&pg=PT107&dq=%22Dr.+William+Sargant%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjXosLxwYHNAhWrzIMKHRO0ANMQ6wEILzAD" style="color:rgb(102,0,153);text-decoration:none" target="_blank"></a></div></div><div style="margin-left:62px"><div style="color:rgb(128,128,128);min-height:17px;line-height:16px;white-space:nowrap"><cite style="color:rgb(0,102,33);font-style:normal;font-size:14px"><a href="https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1845404521" target="_blank">https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1845404521</a></cite></div><div style="color:rgb(128,128,128)"><a href="https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&safe=active&tbm=bks&tbm=bks&q=inauthor:%22Anthony+James%22&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjXosLxwYHNAhWrzIMKHRO0ANMQ9AgIMDAD" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(26,13,171)" target="_blank">Anthony James</a> - 2012 - ‎<a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=E6G7BAAAQBAJ&pg=PT107&dq=%22Dr.+William+Sargant%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjXosLxwYHNAhWrzIMKHRO0ANMQuwUIMTAD" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(26,13,171)" target="_blank">Preview</a> - ‎<a href="https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&safe=active&tbm=bks&q=editions:-7X3ZbM0-EsC&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjXosLxwYHNAhWrzIMKHRO0ANMQmBYIMjAD" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(26,13,171)" target="_blank">More editions</a></div><span style="line-height:1.4;word-wrap:break-word">... the mad psychiatrist <span style="font-weight:bold">Dr William Sargant</span> (he took a third of the proceeds, Sargant two-thirds) ' It is the career of William Sargant (1907–1988) that we must examine in the last part of this section A superb radio documentary on Sargant called ...</span></div><div style="margin-left:62px"><br></div><div style="margin-left:62px"><br></div><div style="margin-left:62px">wikipedia and how Graves was involved & "There were a number of  deaths": </div><div style="margin-left:62px"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Sargant" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Sargant</a><br></div></div></div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Thomas Eckhardt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thomas.eckhardt@uni-bonn.de" target="_blank">thomas.eckhardt@uni-bonn.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
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<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._H._R._Rivers#The_Great_War" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._H._R._Rivers#The_Great_War</a><br>
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Very interesting. Again, Robert Graves turns up (along with Siegfried Sassoon).<br>
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As opposed to Rivers, Sargant detested psychotherapy. The full title of his autobiography is "The unquiet mind: the autobiography of a physician in psychological medicine." A physician. One article cited by Wiki is "Psychiatric treatment in general teaching hospitals: A plea for a mechanistic approach."<br>
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Wiki also provides:<br>
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"Sargant connected Pavlov's findings to the ways people learned and internalised belief systems. Conditioned behaviour patterns could be changed by stimulated stresses beyond a dog's capacity for response, in essence causing a breakdown. This could also be caused by intense signals, longer than normal waiting periods, rotating positive and negative signals and changing a dog’s physical condition, as through illness. Depending on the dog's initial personality, this could possibly cause a new belief system to be held tenaciously. Sargant also connected Pavlov’s findings to the mechanisms of brain-washing in religion and politics."<br>
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Internalise belief systems, i.e. put the control inside...<br>
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All of this helps to answer an earlier question of mine: Pointsman's/Sargant's abreaction is not Jung's abreaction.<br>
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The verb linked to "abreaction" or "Abreaktion" has, by the way, entered German everyday language: "abreagieren" means "to let off steam".<br>
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We may, perhaps, see a renaissance of the mechanistic approach in so-called evidence-based medicine or education -- although there is of course nothing wrong with evidence per se...<br>
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<a href="http://www.theguardian.com/teacher-network/2013/mar/26/teachers-research-evidence-based-education" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.theguardian.com/teacher-network/2013/mar/26/teachers-research-evidence-based-education</a><div><div><br>
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