<div>I riff on these concepts. I am inhabited by Shakti, Kundalini awakening for three years plus now. But I speak of meta reality models only intuited. It is a strange space to inhabit, this Kundalini, stumbled upon unaware that it existed via meditation, yet forcing, gently, acceptance of a realm spiritual upon my everyday life. Experience, for years now, of Kundalini energy as a personal internal guru force is enough to make my skeptic into a knower.</div><div><br></div><div>David Morris </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><div>Regarding </div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 10:08 AM Bruno <<a href="mailto:bruno.laze@gmail.com">bruno.laze@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_msg">Consciousness and play... hmmm. Reminds of George H. Mead, a great underrated sociologist. According to him, subjectivity is born through the ability of consciousness to play with itself.<div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">Interesting model, I used to associate the male concept with active, and the female with passive. But it makes more sense the other way. </div></div><div class="gmail_extra gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg">2017-04-10 20:25 GMT-05:00 David Morris <span class="gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:fqmorris@gmail.com" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">fqmorris@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br class="gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_msg">OK, more metaphysical mind play:</div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">Why would perfection delve into imperfection?</div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">Talking Heads has an answer:  "Heaven is a place where nothing ever happens."</div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">Consciousness without play is as good as dead. Thus the concept of Shiva (inert but limitless potential) and Shakti (limitless life creating energy, needing a space in which to play).</div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">In this model Shiva, the male, is passive, and Shakti, female, is active. This is the ancient Hindu model long before the later Yin/Yang model.</div><span class="m_8217033774557134334HOEnZb gmail_msg"><font color="#888888" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">David Morris </div></font></span><div class="m_8217033774557134334HOEnZb gmail_msg"><div class="m_8217033774557134334h5 gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg">On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 10:17 AM David Morris <<a href="mailto:fqmorris@gmail.com" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">fqmorris@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg"></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg">I agree that the question of WHY Maya isn't answerable.<div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div>"Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?"<div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg">Romans 9:20</div><div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg">So one is only left to start with what IS, as you quote <span style="font-size:12.8px" class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg">Wittgenstein.</span></div></div><div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:12.8px" class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"></span></div><div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:12.8px" class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg">David Morris</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg">On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Bruno <span class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:bruno.laze@gmail.com" class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg" target="_blank">bruno.laze@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg">Sorry about that, I hit tab and then some other button (I hate that tab, makes me lose so many e-mails). So:<div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div style="font-size:12.8px" class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg">I see it as a lighthearted take on the question that Eastern or Western religion cannot answer in satisfying way, and is so well put by Wittgenstein in the Tractatus:</div><div style="font-size:12.8px" class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg">The Mystic about the world is not <i class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg">how </i>it is, but <i class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg">that </i>it is.</div><div style="font-size:12.8px" class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg">That story about one true Consciousness doesn't give a good answer on why there is a Maya (our illusory world). Neither does Christianity: why did good bother to create a world? If he was perfect, he wouldn't have to do anything besides what he already was doing. </div><div style="font-size:12.8px" class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277gmail-yj6qo m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277gmail-ajU m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg" style="font-size:12.8px"></div></div></div><div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714HOEnZb m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714h5 m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_extra m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg">2017-04-10 9:49 GMT-05:00 Bruno <span class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:bruno.laze@gmail.com" class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg" target="_blank">bruno.laze@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg">I don't think that's postmodern; I see it as a lighthearted take on the question that Eastern or Western religion can</div><div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277HOEnZb m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277h5 m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_extra m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg">2017-04-09 8:27 GMT-05:00 David Morris <span class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:fqmorris@gmail.com" class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg" target="_blank">fqmorris@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg">That last line was meant as a joke.</div><div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg">The gist was a take on reality and experience.</div><span class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437HOEnZb m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><font color="#888888" class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg">David Morris </div></font></span><div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437HOEnZb m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437h5 m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg">On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 6:36 AM Ian Livingston <<a href="mailto:igrlivingston@gmail.com" class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg" target="_blank">igrlivingston@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg">fuck that. god has nothing to do with it. its just a handy metaphor for displacing responsibility. comes to that it's me that pisses me off, not god. i could be doing more to set my life right.<br class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_extra m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg">On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 9:34 PM, David Morris <span class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:fqmorris@gmail.com" class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg" target="_blank">fqmorris@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581m_-5314013757157489213m_-5777459417573981815gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><a href="http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/history/b_fbodi.htm" class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581m_-5314013757157489213m_-5777459417573981815gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/history/b_fbodi.htm</a><div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581m_-5314013757157489213m_-5777459417573981815gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581m_-5314013757157489213m_-5777459417573981815gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581m_-5314013757157489213m_-5777459417573981815gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg">Many Eastern spiritual paths believe that all beings are ultimately not separate individuals, but are instead eternal and recurring individual manifestations of a single all-pervading creating Consciousness, both creator and perceiver. In this schema Shakespeare was right: "All the world's but a stage." Perceived reality is paper thin. Real reality is a unifying Consciousness that stages a play for itself. Shiva and Shakti. Underneath all perceived reality is the creator who is us, both Shiva and Shakti, who are one.</div></div><div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581m_-5314013757157489213m_-5777459417573981815gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581m_-5314013757157489213m_-5777459417573981815gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581m_-5314013757157489213m_-5777459417573981815gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg">So, next is the Matrix-like concept that everything we see is an illusion, a deception. But in this case the deception is a state assumed voluntary, like taking a drug. In this matrix God has intentionally given himself a Mickey to see if he can find his way back to himself. A perverse god, willingly creating bad in order to experience it, which wouldn't be so bad, except we are his vehicles of experience. Creation in this scenario is a game God is playing with himself. How postmodern is that?</div><div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581m_-5314013757157489213m_-5777459417573981815gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581m_-5314013757157489213m_-5777459417573981815gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg">David Morris </div><div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581m_-5314013757157489213m_-5777459417573981815gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581m_-5314013757157489213m_-5777459417573981815gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg">God pisse me off!</div><span class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581m_-5314013757157489213HOEnZb m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><font color="#888888" class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581m_-5314013757157489213m_-5777459417573981815gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581m_-5314013757157489213m_-5777459417573981815gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597m_5734683661539742714m_-3830270057480076277m_6323856820873035437m_4498147119965401581gmail_msg m_8217033774557134334m_33081911130262597gmail_msg gmail_msg">David Morris </div>
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