Prejudices

[Joe Varo]

> Oh come on now.  Here on this list we are in the business of denouncing one
> another.  We understand (as Pynchon has made clear in his work) that even 
> among those who claim some kind of consensus, there are vast differences 
> that make the claim of "unity" laughable, in the end.  
> 
> I am worried whenever I hear the term "feminist," and suppose that by 
> proclaiming that title only serves to codify "women."  Haven't we gotten 
> to the point of understanding "feminisms," rather?  Or simply, human rights?

I'm just trying to figure out "what is feminism(s)?"  Sometimes it seems
like a perfectly justifiable postion (equal rights), sometimes it sounds
questionable (when it seems to claim superiority), and sometimes I just
can't makes head or tail out of it.

DYB, in a previous post, stated that she could recommend some readings.  I
asked that she send me her list.  Maybe I'll gain some insight from it.

> I've kept very silent during this whole flamefest (don't say it's not).  

Yeah, it is a flamefest.
geg4
> Everyone so defensive (I'm guilty) and allegedly "concerned" over how to 
> speak in light of F.  Again, if Pynchon means anything to me, it's that 
> we can (should?) simply speak, however.  If we create a shitstorm, we 
> live with it.  In fact, it makes things interesting.
> 
> > 
> > To my understanding, feminism began as a struggle for equal legal and
> > political rights; it was a form of dissent.  Now the former dissenters,
> > having gained their rightful voice now wish to take away the voice of a
> > new group of dissenters.
> 
> Oh and we never squelch one another here, in the workplace, at home . . 
> .  It's life.  I get angry when this simply fact gets dumped in favor of 
> bashing F.
> 
> > 
> > By simply refusing to discuss individual such as Paglia, rather than
> > presenting a rebuttal, the feminists who do so are attempting to silence
> > her.
> 
> Common.  Heard it.  How many times have you neglected to speak to an 
> issue you felt was not worth mentioning, and if so, only worth a 
> derogatory glance? Personally, I don't speak about her because sometimes 
> she makes perfect sense, and at other times, she is raving.  How can I 
> speak of Paglia in one frame?  Impossible.  And because she's all over 
> the map, I don't care to try.  I *would* imagine it to be great to talk 
> with her over a cup (pot?) of coffee.
> 
> 
> 
> I believe that these comments are primarily from Joe.
> 
> 
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