The Hollywood-Hitler-Spielberg Connection

[Henry Musikar]

"I suggest being more careful about distinguishing between assuming a
la davemarc and writing/suggesting a la hag. "  Are you kidding? Come 
on, boys, knock it off! I think we can agree that Schindler's List 
has a strong propagandistic element, but unless it is also 
inaccurate, is that element a problem in the face of American 
ignorance of the Holocaust?

Are we to vote on Leni R vs Steven S? I have always found the argument in 
favor of voting for George Bush because he had more experience 
(from running the CIA) than Clinton, thus enabling him to be more 
effective, to be particulary specious. I may be amazed and in awe of 
someone like Leni R, who is so good at creating something that, while 
it may be well done, is hateful, and I may be fascinated by their 
work, but I would not support that person. 
(Though as an ACLU type, I do support their right to communicate.)

On 11 Jun 96 at 23:11, Hartwin Alfred Gebhardt wrote:

> davemarc:
> 
> > At 09:09 PM 6/10/96 +0200, hag wrote:
> > >
> > >And then there's Goebbel's fascination with the old Hollywood epics, 
> > >and his subsequent exploitation (and further development) of Hollywood 
> > >conventions in films such as Jud Suess. And then, of course, in the 
> > >next logical evolutionary step, the enthusiastic adoption and further 
> > >refinement of propaganda tricks by the post-war (and then post-sixties) 
> > >ad industry and by such contemporary masters as Stephen Spielberg....
> > >
> > I suggest being more careful about distinguishing between propagandizing a
> > la Goebbels and directing/producing a la Spielberg.
> > 
> > davemarc
> 
> I suggest being more careful about distinguishing between assuming a 
> la davemarc and writing/suggesting a la hag. 
> 
> On the other hand, why? 
> 
> hg
> PS. Goebbels and Spielberg may have different agendas (one selling 
> Nazi propaganda, the other selling... his films? himself? family 
> values? the new 'special [US-Ger] relationship'?), but their cinematic 
> techniques and what I called "propaganda tricks" are most certainly 
> the same (read: part of the same bag of tricks). Are you seriously 
> implying some kind of fundamental difference between "propagandizing" 
> and "directing/producing" as used above? 
> And I suppose you're not familiar with critiques of "Schindler's List" a 
> la Claude Landsberg, either....
> hag at iafrica.com
> 
> 
> 
      | |
     /|/|
____/ | |
O   \ | |
     \|\|
      | |