Pentecost

[Tom Stanton]

Paul Mackin wrote:
> That 50 days into the liturgical year as reaching the majority needed
> to grasp power (suggested by Heikki) hadn't occurred to me.

Maybe that old Roman Catholic backround of mine is rusty, but
isn't it 40 days/nights for most stuff? I recall Pentacost &
green garments lasting a long time, more than 50 days (7+ weeks).
If memory serves, you get advent (24 days in purple), Christmas
& the Epithany (30 days in white), Lent (40 day in black),
Easter (40 days in white) and Pentacost (green) making up most 
of the rest. I know I'm missing a liturgical season or two in here
somewhere...

> Don't know much of Joachim's Trinitarian theory of history but do
> remember that in the time of the Holy Spirit the tired old forms
> dating from the Father and the Son can be expected to be  replaced
> by vital new ones. In other words, the Counterforce.

In the bad old Latin mass days the Holy Spirit was a divine 
messenger who had the work horse role of impregnating divine
virgins, topping off apostles with tongues of fire, et. al., but
after the Ecumetical(sp?) Council Das Boird became a kind of channeler
that eventually spawned the Pentacostal Christians who spoke in tongues
and were possessed of the spirit as were the apostles (knew a few in
an another time). Still a serious Catholic sub cult in some places.

> Not to carry this too far, I wonder if "American Pie" (apple most
> likely) doesn't have previously unexplored meaning.
> The three men I admire most,
> The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost,
> Just caught the last train for the coast,
> The day the music died.

Well...I don't think Don McLean was going Pentacostal here...
just a great line.