AIDS, idiots, and self-serving liars

[Peter 13]

I have to respectfully disagree with jester when he says that the 
issue of AIDS is too complicated to understand - For crying out loud, there 
is enough data out there to gag every elephant in Africa and the biology 
and science is actually quite simple - And a lot of very respected 
scientists have made the issues very clear

I must disagree with Andrew when he says that this topic is 
inappropriate for this list - AIDS is killing people and when self-serving liars 
post bs merely to attract attention then they must be have their lies 
brought out into the light of day

Jules, as reported by davemarc, has made the argument that AIDS is not 
a virus - And he suggests that his "important" article was rejected by 
the media because of a conspiracy - Why is it that whenever his articles 
are rejected it's because of some effort to silence him? - Has it ever 
occurred to him that maybe the articles are not worthy of publication? - 
Has it ever occurred to him that perhaps THE NEW YORKER and PLAYBOY 
would rather publish articles by people with reasonable credentials?  If 
there was a conspiracy to supress "the truth about AIDS" than the idiotic 
book by Peter Duesberg (touted by Jules) would have gotten no coverage 
at all - Instead it has been reviewed everywhere - Unfortunately for 
Jules and Duesberg it as also been shown to be a fraud - For example, check 
out the review in the NY TIMES (www.nytime.com/books) which concludes:

                         "Mr. Duesberg's credentials make his 
assertions both distracting and disabling of preventive response. Denial  has 
always been the most devastating social and political dynamic of the AIDS 
epidemic -- and his book feeds it abundantly. In sum, this book is 
destructive of personal  morale, prevention efforts and public understanding 
both of H.I.V./AIDS and of biomedical science in general. It has the 
potential to wreak serious harm at a crucial point in the AIDS epidemic, 
which has been judged by many to be one of the greatest public health 
challenges of our time. "

The reviewer, June E. Osborn, is far more qualified to judge the value 
Duesberg's work than I am or than Jules is 

Fraud is fraud - Period