S/b discussions NOT dissuasions, spell check error, I swear. Pynchon makes use of Rilke's Duino Eligies and The Sonnets to Orpheus and other Rilke stuff too, but I think the tenth elegy will be most helpful at this point in grgr. Pynchon's source: Rilke, Ranier Maria, Duino Elegies, translated by C.F. MacIntyre, University of California Press, 1961 TF