still more Re: GRGR(12) LSD, for good and evil

[Terrance F. Flaherty]

Doug Millison wrote:

> I also don't agree that Vineland shows the '60s revolution as a failure;
> TRP's is a highly nuanced treatment.

Yes, nuance, so I'm not saying a total failure, nothing good
came from the revolution, but the revolution itself failed.
Sex and drugs (LSD) and yes, even RR contributed to the
failure, or failed to save it. 


 We talked about this a lot in VLVL.
> Near the end of Vineland, TRP seems to put the 60s revolution in a line of
> anti-fascist revolts that keep bubbling up despite the incredible array of
> repressive and oppressive forces aligned against them (by specifically
> mentioning the IWW and thereby bringing in the whole history of the U.S.
> labor movement that leads up to that), thereby testifying to the
> essentially irrepressible nature of the anti-fascist spirit.

Bubbling revolt is not revolutionary success. Yes, Pynchon
lines up the IWW and lots of others, goes through why they
failed as well. 

 Because the IWW was crushed, does that make it a failure?  

Neither is A Failure, both failed. I can't possibly read VL
without knowing that the revolution failed, to me, that's
what VL is about, the failed revolutions, the complex causes
of failure and the result--Reagan. How bad the failure of
the revolution was, is obvious by the fact that RR--their
worst nightmare--is President.