Hitler's Pope

[calbert at pop.tiac.net]

> > I would only counter that few if any of the other faiths operate in
> > the political arena like the RCC. It would be fair to say that it is
> > a secular power player par excellence.
> 
> Right, no other faith acts as the RCC in western history, no
> other faith acts as the Islamic faith, no other faith acts
> as the shinto faith and so on. How are they alike, that's
> what we are after, right?

Wrong. This debate started with my posting the Gumpel reply to the 
Pope book. It was not an effort to compare religions and their crimes 
against culture and humanity, the "relativist" strain of this debate 
was intitiated by your post. I simply insisted that even after 
introducing other faiths, that the machinations of the vatican 
seperates them from the crowd. Not that other religions don't 
interfere in Ceasar's realm, none of them enjoys the world wide clout 
of the RCC.

> The RCC has more in common with
> other faiths and their actions--political and so on--because
> it is a religion and Not a multi national corporation.

Once again - are you aware of what has been exposed relative to Banco 
A and P2? If you are then the suggestion that the RCC is a little 
more than a religion may not appear so heretical to you. Given its 
far flung operations, it would be entirely appropriate to compare the 
Vatican to MNCs.
The Vatican was not refusing to turn over Teddy M over issues of 
religious doctorine, he was a suspect in crimes including 
embezzlement and murder, matters quite earthly.

> I can
> give examples of other faiths that have just as much bad
> blood and evil as the RCC, but this does not absolve them or
> redeem them.

Go to it. It would be a useful exercise. You would find that few 
operate from the kind of central authority enjoyed by the Pope. 
Protestants are splintered, Jews have several schools of faith which 
often are in conflict, and I'm certain that the major eastern 
religions reflect a similar situation (there seems to be more 
diversity within Islam than there is within the RC).


> Yes, I know, but my point is that even as the RCC acts as a
> political or economic power it is better compared to other
> religions. 

Why? If it quacks, etc......

love,
cfa