Paleface Pynchon?

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Dave
>> Nonetheless, it's (Pynchon's fiction is) in that 
>> no-man's land where we all find ourselves to have been all along, a mixture
>> of the mechanical, conceptual, design-making "realities" with the
>> biological, emotional, organically-branching ones -- some of which we
>> pretend not to acknowledge.

Bravo!

Terrance
>> It's not
>> the "crudeness" of Chaucrer's farts that elevate his text
>> above Stearne's Fartman, is it? (sic)

I think Dave's point was clear and well made. For Stern it's the
fart-in-itself which is both the medium and the message. The farts &c aren't
the focus at all in Chaucer or Pynchon; they represent the biological
reality of what it is to be human, as metaphor.

Seb
>>  Not that you could ask for any
>> Yes answers, but how many on the list WILL and DO walk through
>> the White Visitation to eat shit (Pudding), play cross-dressed
>> Hansel and Gretel (Weissmann) "fuck the boy" (that discussion
>> about Weissmann and Enzian) or fall in love with a 12-year-old

But Pynchon *is* foregrounding the same type of abreaction that you get
watching 'The World's Funniest Suicides' or whatever on the Tube, isn't he,
confronting the reader with her or his complacency and self-delusion? the
"realities" we pretend not to acknowledge, as Dave pointed out?

best