Miller Frank, The Mechanical Song (automata, femmes fatale)

[Dave Monroe]

These are printed together (Gilles Deleuze's "Coldness and Cruelty" and Leopold von
Sacher-Masoch's Venus in Furs, that is)  in the Zone Books ed. I listed as well.  (I
believe that an English trans. of the Deleuze essay had been printed separately
somwhere in the 70s, published by George Braziller).  Don't have it at hand, but, as
I recall, Deleuze argues that masochism is NOT simply the inverse of sadism, in
that, in the masochistic "contract," in masochistic practice and discourse, it is
the masochist, and not his/her, I don't know, dominator/dominatrix/whatever, who is
really in charge, who sets the parameters, calls the shots, whatever.  A situation
any sadist worth his/her salt in the wounds would hardly get his/herself into, no?
At any rate, point is, tehy are NOT simply two sides of the same coin ...

Lorentzen / Nicklaus wrote:

> Dave Monroe schrieb:
>
> > ... okay, so we've got modernity, femininity, artificiality,
> >
> > romanticism, symbolism, coldness, cruelty, masochism, automata, jewels,
> > Egypt ... see as well ...
> >
> > Gilles Deleuze, Masochism: Coldness and Cruelty.
>
>   in a newer german edition of "venus in furs" this text is printed as an
>   introduction. still remember that deleuze makes, in contrast to the 'clinical'
>   view, the effort to draw a clear cut distinction between masochism and sadism.
>   unfortunately my memory is somehow hazy...anybody?...kfl