Pynchon--glamour grudges? (fwd)

[Paul Mackin]

On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 Lycidas at worldnet.att.net wrote:

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> 
> Paul Mackin wrote:
> > 
> > > From: Ben_McGrath at newyorker.com
> > > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 11:59:34 -0500
> > > Subject: Pynchon--glamour grudges?
> > >
> > > Are either of you familiar with the use of the phrase "glamour grudges" by
> > > Pynchon?  I think it's in Vineland, but would appreciate any help you could give
> > > me about a more specific reference...
> > 
> > Don't remember this from Vineland. Would probably have to do with the
> > Hollywood references. Sounds like what went on between rival glamour
> > queens. Olivia and Joan. Bette and Joan (different Joan). Just guessing.
> > Would like to learn more.
> > 
> >                         P.
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> 
> Just a wild guess, sounds like something from VL. I would
> try the Che and Prairie at the Mall episode, lots of glamour
> and grudges in there and  maybe the episode when Prairie
> reviews the films of her Mom and maybe the Zoyd & dress
> episodes.

This reminds me, there was something back in the 80s called the "grudge
look" somewhat popular among teenager girls or thereabouts. Don't know
if it's at all related to "glamour grudge." The basic idea I think was to
look like you were trying to make yourself unattractive but of course
not quite succeeding. Rolled up jeans, bad hair. Patterned after how
film stars dress if they want to go out into public and not be
recognized by fans. (or was the grudge look something else entirely?) 

Just a thought.
			P.