GRGR 31 Shit'n'Shinola (is Re: Eminem (was: Influenced by GR?)

[jbor]

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>From: Terrance <Lycidas at worldnet.att.net>
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> And in GR, "The fathers have no power" and "[the
> sons--Slothrops] are condemned to the same passivity, the
> same masochist fantasies *they* cherished in secret...." It
> was, 40 years ago [747]. The Nazis, but "Thantz, are you
> going to judge this man?" Yes, that's what I said, the Zone,
> the sermon on the mount rj, because GR is psychological only
> when it is religious and both go together into the silence
> or the scream of death.

Sorry, Terrance, I can't make head nor tail of this.

> Pointy makes this connection clear, early on it is between
> oriental mysticism and the psychological other(s) or
> opposites:
>
> "  'The act of injuring and the act of being injured are
> joined in the behavior of the whole injury.' Speaker and
> spoken-of, master and slave, virgin and seducer, each pair
> most conveniently coupled and inseperable--The last refuge
> of the incorrigibly lazy, Mexico, is just this sort of yang
> yin (could drive a man that seeks power mad!)  rubbish."
> GR.88

I'm not sure that I would align Pynchon's point of view with Pointy's.
Roger's replies to Pointy's critique of Pierre Janet and endorsement of
Pavlovian behaviourism are given equal priority in the text. Pointy sez:

      "Pierre Janet -- sometimes the man talked like an Oriental
    mystic. He had no real grasp of the opposites: "The act of
    injuring and the act of being injured are joined in the
    behavior of the whole injury." Speaker and
    spoken-of, master and slave, virgin and seducer, each pair
    most conveniently coupled and inseperable -- The last refuge
    of the incorrigibly lazy, Mexico, is just this sort of yang
    yin rubbish. One avoids all manner of unpleasant lab work
    that way, but what has one *said*?"

      "I don't want to get into a religious argument with you,"
    absence of sleep has made Mexico more cranky today than usual,
    "but I wonder if you people aren't a bit too -- well, strong, on
    the virtues of analysis. I mean, once you've taken it all apart,
    fine, I'll be first to applaud your industry. But other than a
    lot of bits and pieces lying about, what have *you* said?" (88)

I think I'm with the "young anarchist in the red scarf" on this one.