Hemingway and Pynchon

[Paul Mackin]

The thing of it was that P being a child of the 60s civil-rights
and antiwar sentiment could never in a thousand years have done the
virility thing that was such a Hemingway trademark. Up until 1950
Hemingway sounded like a God. His fall from favor was only partly over the
fact he disgraced himself with Across the River and Into the
Trees. People's thoughts were simply elsewhere than grace under fire 
or whatever the saying was. This being said, H was a superb prose stylist
and will eventually be reassessed favorably.

The similarly between H and P you find may be because both could capture
so well the mordant irony of it all. 

			P.

On Wed, 31 May 2000 JTDaly2 at aol.com wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> I'm new to the list. I scanned through some of the list archives, not sure if this topic has come up before. I recently read Hemingway's _A Farewell To Arms_ and found some lines and fragments that made me think of TP. Sorry, no page numbers with me.
> 
> "Then there was one [mortar shell] that we did not hear coming until the sudden rush."
> 
> "'Poor Rinaldi,' I said. 'All alone at the war with no girls.'" (very Pynchon)
> 
> "'Underneath we are the same. We are war brothers.'"
> (reminds of Mexico calling the War his mother).
> 
> "He said we are all cooked but we were all right as long as we didn't know it. We were all cooked. The thing was not to recognize it. The last country to realize they were cooked could win the war."
> 
> "It seemed to nor dangerous to me myself than war in the movies."
> 
> What do you all think?
>