Nizkor

[jbor]

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>From: Doug Millison <millison at online-journalist.com>
>

> My statement about The Nizkor Project describing Dora as a Holocaust
> camp remains accurate. Go to http://www.nizkor.org/. The home page
> includes a heading, "The Holocaust Camps" about half-way down the
> page.  This links to a page, http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/,
> entitled "Holocaust: The Camps" -- scroll down to Mittelbau Dora,
> click the link, and you will go to a page with a link to the Reuters
> story I posted yesterday.
>

No. As with the 'Encyclopedia of the Holocaust' entry you cited, which noted
that "Jewish prisoners who could no longer work were sent to Auschwitz or
Mauthausen, to be killed", the differences between the "death camps" and
Dora is made clear at both sites.


> Your point about Weissmann ("I think that's what's "different" is
> that the "power" at Auschwitz and Buchenwald was the power over life
> and death. Weissmann's "power" at Nordhausen is a power over history
> itself.") is unclear, and does not appear to address any functional
> difference between Auschwitz and Buchenwald on the one hand and Dora
> (a satellite camp of Buchenwald) on the other.

The "functional difference" between the camps is that Dora was a labour camp
and Auschwitz and Buchenwald were extermination camps. I believe this is
quite straight-forward. Pynchon depicts, glancingly, the "foreign prisoners"
working at the Mittelwerke. He nowhere depicts or mentions the genocide of
the Jews.

> Obviously we disagree on what it would mean to say that the Jewish
> genocide (or the larger Holocaust) is represented in GR.

Yes.

> Dora was a
> satellite camp of Buchenwald,

Yes.

> Jewish prisoners (and other Holocaust
> victims) were at Dora,

Yes.

> Pynchon depicts Dora and its slave laborers
> and a horrific scene of dead and dying Dora prisoners  in GR

Yes.

 --  I
> say that we can see the Jewish genocide in GR.

I disagree. I maintain that the Holocaust is not represented in the novel.

> I've offered
> definitions and discussions from many different sources that broaden
> the definition of the Holocaust to include not only Jews, but also
> other minorites, and other categories of victims (including slave
> laborers, such as those who suffered and died while working on the
> V-2 rockets at Dora).

This is not the "generally accepted" definition. Not even one of these
sources has asserted that the deaths of labour camp inmates *while at Dora*
is an aspect of "the Holocaust".

>
> You interpret things differently, and choose narrower definitions of
> the Holocaust. Yes, the Nizkor Project appears to use the narrower
> definition of Jews only, in contrast to historians and other sources,
> such as the U.S. Holocaust Memorial, which use the broader definition.

http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/text/x06/xm0636.html

No. Nowhere on this page is Dora defined as a "Holocaust camp."

I am not a Holocaust-denier. Apologise.