PO-PO-mo-JO (was PO's Vision)

[Dave Monroe]

... er, actually, I thought my point was that "extra-textuality" was
inescapable, inevitable, and my own response to the foregrounded "indulgences"
of (say, postmodernists like) Pynchon would be, fine, at least that's being
foregrounded, faced up to.  I don't think we necessarily face any greater
probelms, though, in reading Pynhon than we do in reading, say, Joyce, or, for
that matter, Shakespeare.  At least much alluded to is contemporary to us.
A-and it DOES make for some interesting reading, not to mention research,
interpretation ...

David Morris wrote:

> Mr. Monroe (and all),
>
> Many times I've had difficulty reading your posts.  But this one was a prime
> exception.
>
> Lately I've begun to wonder if Mr. Pynchon has relied too heavily on
> references to other texts at the expense of his own.  Might this not be the
> indictment of Post-Modernism in general?
>
> My god, does TRP have a grasp of history!  His mark is almost that of one
> never besmirched by the distraction of Modernism, so immersed in historical
> allusions, almost skipping Modernism.  But might might this not be thought
> as artifice as opposed to originality?
>
> No. It's not true!  But the charge of over-reference still echoes.  TRP so
> obviously does so indulge, even, especially, of his own texts.  This proves
> how big are his balls, I'd say.
>
> DM
>
> >From: Dave Monroe
> >
> >Terrance, might you want to fine-tune this statement of yours a bit?
> >"What TRP forms is a fictional complexity that is idiosyncratic and
> >cannot be understood by extra-textual reference."   Esp. as this post
> >goes on to cite at length an Encyclopedia Brittanica recap of Max Weber,
> >and one not long thereafter extensively extra-textually references
> >Gershom Scholem's extensive extra-textual referencing of those supremely
> >extra-textual reference texts of the kabballists?  Esp. as ANY
> >"understanding" will, necessarily, BE extra-textual, be beyond, in
> >excess of, the text at hand.  Like this post, like all the posts here
> >...
> [snip]
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