No way out for this list

Terrance F. Flaherty lycidas2 at earthlink.net
Thu Sep 14 20:07:58 CDT 2000



Paul Mackin wrote:
> 
> No one can blame Terrance for "rubbing it in" a little on the homophobia
> and bigotry business. I made my own little attempt to cast out such
> irrelevancies from the discussion but perhaps not very effectively. Anyway
> I wanted at this point to ask the question: So what if there is no way
> out? From repression, from identification with the repressor, from
> whatever else plagues our mortal existences. Writers like Brown always
> make a noble effort at the end of their analyses to point the way
> forward, or the way back, to a more utopian state of affairs. But who has
> any real faith in such possibilities?
> 
> My only point in picking up on this is the bearing it has on the
> present dissatisfactions people are expressing with the p-list. In truth
> the p-list is merely a tiny microcosm of the human condition. Discussions
> of this type never have been and never will be what we might like them to
> be--profound, selfless, inspiring, noble. There are simply too many
> facts of human nature always getting in the way. So why not accept
> it? Accept that there is "no way out for this list" any more than there is
> a way out for poor fallen corrupt human nature. It was always thus, and
> thus it will always be. So why fight it and why be overly sad about
> it, I say. Rather I suggest we just all sit back and try to enjoy what
> pleasure can be derived from our interchanges--derive what we can from
> our basically hopeless situation.
> 
>                         P.



It may be as you say,  the case for the world, for the list,
for  "poor fallen corrupt human nature. " Thus to hope for
or struggle towards resolution is hopeless and perhaps even
harmful. The conflict may in fact be caused by the
antagonistic relation between  two polar dimensions of the
human experience or human condition or human nature.
Moreover, there is no reason why the conflict needs to be
resolved.  TRP seems to take this position, not the position
of the dialecticians Brown, Marcuse,  Marx, Schiller. But
TRP does not advocate conflict of the sort practiced here.
No, and if human potentialities are to realize themselves
freely, surely the sensuous, long subjugated to reason, when
it reasserts itself, or even asserts its privilege as the
taking of what ever pleasure may be had in accepting the
hopelessness of the situation, must be prevented from doing
so in a destructive and savage manner.



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