Thomas/Karma

Tue Dec 4 13:37:47 CST 2001

I'll get back to you when I can, Thomas (and Kurt), but in the meantime, perhaps you'd like to read a little on how those two nasty little words--karma snd debt--come together. Like I said, I stole them from Gary Zukav.  Perhaps I didn't explain them well enough, and I'll take responsibility for that; but I think you should also take responsibility for the negative meaning you read into their union.  

http://www.louisville.edu/~naport01/2ndpage.html

Gary Zukav is a physicist by training and his perspective adds to Moore's by describing all of our experiences  as effects of previous cause (cause and effect) or "karma".  Zukav maintains that when a person acts selfishly or is abusive or kills in his or her lifetime that the karmic debt of that action may or may not be felt until another lifetime but it will be felt, challenging the traditional religious concept of heaven and hell.  He says our souls create what their life will be like prior to their birth so as to learn certain lessons while on Earth.  Also contrary to popular religious belief, Zukav believes that all of a soul's incarnations occur simultaneously and when a personality puts out negative energy, that all of these incarnates feel the depletion of energy.  When the soul incarnates to the physical plain (on Earth) the soul chooses certain experiences in order to heal.  He describes our personalities as the splintered parts of the soul that need healing combined with love and compassion imparted by the soul for that purpose.

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:4JmmaYs6iMs:nhclibrary.nhmccd.edu/books/reviews/seatsoul.doc+zukav+gary+karmic+debt&hl=en

Commitment Without commitment, you cannot learn to see others as your soul sees them, as beautiful and powerful spirits of Light.  (Must be equals).  The archetype of marriage of old reflects the survival-power, as external-now it is spiritual.  You can choose to learn through love/trust/sharing or learn through anger/fear/jealousy and doubt.  Our entire world is built upon the energy of the five sensory personalities that has chosen to learn through fear/doubt/envy.  Nations fear nations; races fear races, the sexes fear each other.  Our species has no reverence-it is arrogant and wants to dominate and get what can be had.   We take from the Earth and each other. Mankind destroys the earth and often enslaves one another-through torture, beating, humiliation and murder.  If you wish the world to become compassionate and loving, you have to become compassionate and loving.  If you wish to diminish fear in the world, diminish your own fear.  In a spiritual relationship, conversations between you stir deep waters and help you grow.  You must have no secrets and absolute trust  Love alone is not enough, you must have trust or you are not able to give and receive love.  You must be able to share your concerns but do it with consideration and the intention to heal!  You must learn the value of considering your partner's position-walk in their shoes-what are their fears?  There are different karmic centers (p. 168-9).  A soul that is advanced has a greater karmic influence and energy influence.  How wide and far your light shines is the magnitude of your karmic influence.  The quality of power of a great soul is global-if it does not reach its capacity-it creates a karmic debt. P. 170.  A soul that does not reach its capacity, creates a karmic debt. 
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Karma, on the other hand, is an imbalance of energy (do not act on it, release a negative intention).  You receive from the world what you give to the world.  Anger causes distance from others & hostile interactions.  A person that is engaged in violence is hurting deeply, because a healthy and balanced soul is incapable of harming another (they simply cannot do it).  When we JUDGE, we create negative karma (it is the personality speaking without the soul).  We must stop judging people!! The road to your soul is through your heart (your feelings).  This does not mean that we do not seek justice.  But, we must learn to engage in nonjudgmental justice.  We must see without responding negatively.  This does not mean we condon the action, it means we feel for the individual (but we cannot accept the actions of the individual).  

Original Message:
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From: Thomas Eckhardt thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 13:59:17 +0000
To: barbara100 at jps.net, keithmar at msn.com, pynchon-l at waste.org
Subject: Re: My Karma ran over my...oh, you know the joke.

The problem is the word "debt", as in "karmic debt", isn't it? You used that phrase on two occasions: 

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