Holocaust (also: i said "avoid", not "make happen" ...)

[lorentzen-nicklaus]

Otto schrieb:

> Kai wrote:
>
> >   could you please elaborate a little on how "the waves of 19th-century
> and
> >   medieval anti-semitism" managed to do so? interests me sociologically.>
>
> >   where do you see parallels to hilberg in the pamphlet of goldhagen?


> Read him and just don't follow the propaganda against Goldhagen. His book is
> the elaboration you are requesting. Anything I could say now would be only
> partial.

  i read the book when it came out in the historical library; the chance that i 
  will repeat the experience in this lifetime is very small. "hitler's willing 
  executers" is not part of my private book cave and will, very probably, never 
  be. its historical corner is, however, growing steadily, but i surely won't   
  invest into goldhagen. what i will check out somewhere in the near future is  
  christopher browning's "ordinary men" which deals with similar material but,  
  so i've read more than once, in a more profound and responsible way. 

  otto, it's always thin ice to suggest that people have not read what they   
  write about ... please stop this, i don't like it! supposedly i've read   
  much more on german-jewish history as well as about the holocaust (two things 
  which are, of course, connected with but not identical with each other) than  
  you. so, if you've learned something from goldhagen, tells us about it! and 
  both questions, the one on the social mechanisms as well as the one on 
  parallels to hilberg you seem to have detected, are apropriate here, since it 
  was you who raised these issues. name dropping as such does not lead any 
  further. so what are, after all, your arguments?

  yes, you may present some quotes. or you summarize the argumentation. 
  whatever, but please don't bother me anymore with such cheap polemics!

 immer noch eher freundlich: kai