Pynchon & rap

[Doug Millison]

OK. Here's a post by "jbor" wherein he/she reiterated the assertion at
issue, which "jbor" had made in earlier posts:

http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0009&msg=785&keywords=Holoca
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:04:59 +1100 
Subject: The absence of "the Holocaust" from GR; Neufeld's The Rocket and 
From: "jbor" <jbor@[omitted]> 
To: pynchon-l@[omitted] 
[...] I emphasised that the prisoners at Dora are labour camp inmates in
response to
millison's earlier (and constant) surmise that they are Holocaust victims.
They are obviously "slaves" -- they are prisoners, after all -- no question
about that. Pynchon, through Pokler, glancingly refers to them as "foreign
prisoners" and leaves it at that. Pynchon also specifically notes the
difference between Dora, which was a labour camp, and Auschwitz and
Buchenwald, which were Jewish death camps, on p. 666. Certainly, the
prisoners at Dora were treated badly, and their piled bodies outside the
crematorium in GR is a chilling image. But this is explicitly *not* "the
Holocaust", which denotes "the genocidal murder of the Jews by the Nazis in
WW II".


...As I said, Holocaust history expert McVay corrected "jbor" on both
counts, pointing out that Holocaust victims include both Jews and others
considered undesirable by the Nazis, and by instructing "jbor" (as others
already had tried to do) that the Dora slave laborers are indeed considered
Holocaust victims. These posts all first appeared on Pynchon-L back in
September and early October 2000. The claim that "jbor" makes now, this he
never made such an assertion (that the Dora slaves are not Holocaust
victims) remains untrue -- "jbor" did in fact make this assertion, as I said
he did, and McVay did indeed correct what he and at least one other
Pynchon-L participant, rightly, found to be a distasteful suggestion. In
McVay's words:  "Many of the victims who were sent to Dora were arrested as
"racial inferiors" and sent to Auschwitz first... I would find it strange if
one were to insist that such a person would be a Holocaust victim if he was
sent to Auschwitz, but not if he then went to Dora.I am amazed that anyone
would even raise the issue."


-----Original Message-----
From: jbor [mailto:jbor at bigpond.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 2:20 PM
To: pynchon-l at waste.org
Subject: Re: Pynchon & rap


on 7/13/01 2:58 AM, Doug Millison at DMillison at ftmg.net wrote:

>
> Doug:
>> McVay did, in fact, correct "jbor's" ludicrous assertion that the Dora
>> slaves in GR weren't Holocaust victims.
> 
> "jbor"
> You'll be hard pressed to find any such assertion in the archives, of
> course, because it was never made.
>  
> 
> 'jbor's" claim here is untrue.
> 
> See this post
>
http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0010&msg=140&keywords=McVay

This is Doug's post and they are Doug's assertions, not mine.