Pynchon & rap
JBFRAME at aol.com
JBFRAME at aol.com
Fri Jul 13 01:05:02 CDT 2001
In a message dated 07/12/2001 10:57:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
jbor at bigpond.com writes:
> on 7/13/01 7:43 AM, Doug Millison at DMillison at ftmg.net wrote:
>
> > OK. Here's a post by "jbor"
>
> etc
>
> As I said, and as the full post proves, the debate centred around the
> difference between Dora, as a *labour* camp, and extermination camps such as
> Buchenwald and Auschwitz.
>
> The point remains. The novel barely refers to and does not depict what was
> going on in the extermination camps at Buchenwald and Auschwitz. It does not
> depict the Nazi program of genocide which was specifically directed at the
> Jews and which was responsible for the slaughter of over 6,000,000 Jewish
> people. When I stated that the novel does not describe "the Holocaust", and
> that the Holocaust is "absent" from the novel, this was the -- pretty
> obvious -- meaning of that observation. This fact is regardless of whether
> one decides to expand the definition of the phrase "the Holocaust" to
> include the murders and deaths of non-Jewish prisoners and POWs in the
> labour camps and elsewhere or not. (Most dictionaries don't, by the way. BUT
> THAT WAS NOT THE ISSUE.)
>
> To twist that into "Holocaust-denial" and "Holocaust-denier rhetoric" at
> every given opportunity was and continues to be slander. Like everyone else
> I am sick to death of this bullshit and I just wish that a metaphorical
> Kansas house would fall out of the frigging sky onto Millison's ugly green
> cyberhead.
>
> The brief sequence with Pokler watching the "foreign prisoners" in Dora does
> not depict what was going on in the extermination camps at Buchenwald and
> Auschwitz. It does not depict the Nazi program of genocide which was
> specifically directed at the Jews and which was responsible for the
> slaughter of over 6,000,000 Jewish people.
>
> The mention of S-shaped spokes in the opening sequence of the novel does not
> depict what was going on in the extermination camps at Buchenwald and
> Auschwitz. It does not depict the Nazi program of genocide which was
> specifically directed at the Jews and which was responsible for the
> slaughter of over 6,000,000 Jewish people.
>
> The reference to a Polish undertaker in a rowboat does not depict what was
> going on in the extermination camps at Buchenwald and Auschwitz. It does not
> depict the Nazi program of genocide which was specifically directed at the
> Jews and which was responsible for the slaughter of over 6,000,000 Jewish
> people.
>
> etc
>
> The *absence* of any such depictions in the novel is significant.
>
This thread has gotten to such a ludicrous point. At least change the
subject line!
God!
=>:o()
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