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[Dave Monroe]

Okay, reversed the order (on topic first, then the
cheap shot), forgot about the totally unrelated feint
(I'm pretty sure I've read more about rap here than I
have about either Pynchon, poltics or the Holocaust by
now), but ...

--- jbor <jbor at bigpond.com> wrote:
> on 7/15/01 3:42 PM, Dave Monroe at
> davidmmonroe at yahoo.com wrote:
> 
> > Merriam-Webster Collegiate's
> 
> That's one reference in nine definitions, by my
> count.

Figured a standard and respectable source on standard
and respectable American English usage would have
sufficed, though I will note that I've managed to
extract a crumbling print ed. ca. 1973 that doesn't
mention the Holocaust at all.  But, before you cream
yr jeans or whatever here, for comparison's sake, it
doesn't even contain "gulag."  We're talking "handy
desk reference" here or whatever.  Hardly exhaustive. 
But why again is this distinction so critical to you? 
  If it ever was, this has long since ceased to be
clear to me ...

> > but, really, is it being argued now
> > that ONLY Jews were victims of the Holocaust
> 
> No, of course not. Two things (perhaps three come to
> think of it now) are being pointed out. One is that,
> agree with it or not, the standard definition of
"the 
> Holocaust" is "the mass murder by the Nazis of the
> Jews of Continental Europe between 1940 and 1945".
> [Collins] Two is that l' whole affaire
millison/jbor, 
> as some wag tagged it recently, has been a bun-fight
> constructed by millison around my use of a standard
> dictionary definition.  

Actually, it seems to revolve around your dismissal of
any assertion of any relevance whatsoever to
discussing the Holocaust in relation to Gravity's
Rainbow ...

> In fact, the disruptions to any and all discussions
> of the Holocaust and its (non-)representation in
_GR_ 
> have been baulked at every turn, not by me, but
> by Millison. And you, sir, seem only intent on
> adding to that "fuzz".

You only mention the subject at all ostensibly in
order to dismiss it, and seemingly in order to bait
Millison, and, perhaps, me on it.  Over the past day
alone I've seen you suddenly (re)consider points,
readings, arguments I (and others) have made here that
you attacked a year ago, only to find that you had
been similarly amenible to them the previous year.  A
biennial cycle, then ..


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