pynchon-l-digest V2 #1936
Doug Millison
millison at online-journalist.com
Sun Jul 15 20:50:27 CDT 2001
When "jbor" says "simply not true" all you usually have to do is go
to the archives and find the post where he/she in fact said what
he/she's currently denying. I did that the other day (reproduced
from the archives the post in which "jbor" did indeed repeat his/her
absurd claim that the Dora slaves were not Holocaust victims, the
claim that "jbor" was swearing up and down he/she never made, and
indeed there it was in the archives) to make this very point.
If you erase words from or otherwise revise my posts -- or Dave
Monroe's or anybody's -- you can indeed make it appear as if we've
said whatever you want to assert, and that has clearly been the case
here, again and again, on the part of "jbor" and his/her defenders.
Everybody who hasn't automatically agreed with "rjackson/rj/jbor" has
seen this interlocutor play fast and loose with the words we've
actually posted in our arguments with him/her -- Dave is only the
most recent victim. And we've all seen a small band of P-listers
parrot "jbor's" views and attack "jbor's" targets, to the point of
drowning out any intelligent discussion of the issues in question.
I like what somebody said here recently, when he called "jbor" a
"dishonest bastard". "Dishonest" (in addition to "jbor"s perpetual
mischaracterizations of and outright lies about what others have
actually posted) in the sense that "rjackson/rj/jbor" changes his/her
views as necessary to keep a disagreement going -- several of you
have expressed surprise that "rjackson/rj/jbor" initially agreed with
my *suggested* reading of GR's opening as an evacuation of Holocaust
victims and only later flip-flopped. Many similar examples could
illustrate the way "jbor" uses this tactic to keep a disagreement
bubbling. Starting the argument all over again from scratch is
another of "jbor's" favorite tactics, as "jbor" has done in the past
few days with his renewed quibbles about what is or isn't the
Holocaust and who is or isn't a Holocaust victim.
By the way, Dave, it wasn't Hollander that "jbor" hit with
anti-Semitic mud -- Derek Maus was on the receiving end of "jbor's"
anti-Semitic slurs. That's in the archives, too, along with Derek's
scathing response to "rj/rjackson/jbor" in the face of those
anti-Semitic slurs. Deny it if you wish, "jbor", but you made those
slurs, and you were called on it at the time.
It is also certainly true that "jbor /rj/rjackson" accused Hollander
and me of hacking into his/her computer, lunatic accusations that
"jbor /rj/rjackson" passed around to quite a few people offlist,
including a person that "jbor /rj/rjackson" was hoping, and may still
hope for all I know, to influence positively with regard to an
article "jbor/rj/rjackson" was then peddling.
>
>Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:37:36 +1000
>From: jbor <jbor at bigpond.com>
>Subject: Re: peated point of contention here ...
>
>> I reserve the right to correct any false accusations you choose to make,
>> however.
>
>Such as these. Simply not true.
>
>
>on 7/15/01 5:54 PM, Dave Monroe at davidmmonroe at yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> I'm sure Hollander will be touched by your admiration
>> here, esp. after all those accusations of hacking into
>> your computer and the antisemitisms you apparently
> > levelled at him.
>
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