Genoa (was Re: Who provokes whom?

[Terrance]

David Morris wrote:
> 
> Language grows, and "fascism" is fair game.  Thus Kurt-Werner Pörtner's
> offering of "authoritarian regime" as an alternative is quite valid,
> especially when discussing trans-national power structures.  Neh?  

I don't know, I provided a definition of fascism, but not a
definition of 
authoritative regime. Kurt-Werner has not provided a
definition, perhaps he will or 
some one will. Language grows, language changes, that's why
we should be very careful to define what it is we are
talking about. 

I think this list can quite do with out the hazardous
assertions, claims based on uncertain, unwarranted, and
unproved premises. 

When people say that Bush is a Nazi I suspect that they may
not know what a Nazi was or is. Bush is not a Nazi. The US
government is not run, controlled or led by Nazis. When a
poster says fascism is alive in Italy, I think that this
person doesn't know what fascism is. Some say there are
apparently some "neo-fascists" (we have not had a definition
of that term  either and saying that it is obviously a
new-fascism doesn't cut the ice) in one faction in the
Italian government. So in some small way "neo fascism" is
alive in Italy, but what has this got to do with the
violence? Anything? There is violence in Italy. Italy has a
fascist past. People are being killed. Young people. It's
sad. There is violence enough to blame the police, the
government, some of the protesters. But fascism, it seems to
me, has very little to do with it.  


So the
> subject of Itally alone in this context is irrelevant.  The G8 is the
> subject, right?
> 
> >From: Terrance <lycidas2 at earthlink.net>
> >
> >Fascism, as I understand it, is a system of government marked by
> >centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic
> >controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and
> >typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. and  A political
> >philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
> >
> >By this definition, or provide another if you like, how and
> >why  is Italy a Fascists state? If that's your opinion?
> >
> >I don't have a preference for a particular term, fascism, authoritarian
> >regime (btw, the historical  differences and the terminology that may be
> >used to define those differences when applied to  Franco and Mussolini are
> >huge and significant, there is a historical contradiction (fascism itself)
> >in your blurring of the terminology that simply doesn't square with the
> >historical facts and so, I ask only that you define the term fascism or
> >authoritative regime and tell me, where is it alive in Italy?
> >
> >KXX4493553 at aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > In einer eMail vom 23.07.01 20:07:12 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit
> >schreibt
> > > lycidas2 at earthlink.net:
> > >
> > > >  But where does Fascism come into this?
> > > >  It's alive where? Not in the Italian government, right?
> > > >  Where?
> > > If you prefer "authoritarian regime" instead of "fascism", take it.
> > > It's the difference between Mussolini and Franco.
> > > And Berlusconi? Where does all his money come from? From selling vacuum
> > > cleaners?
> > >
> > > Kurt-Werner Pörtner
> > >
> 
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