ill & lunatic: --- is there god in a dog?

[Dave Monroe]

That notion of Tyrone Slothrop being "Scattered all
over the Zone" such that "It's doubtful if he can ever
be 'found' again, in the conventional sense of
'positively identified and detained'" (GR, p. 712)
sounds a bit reminiscent of both the Foucauldian
"carceral" subject (Discipline and Punish) and that
Deleuzoguattarian "deterritorialization," no?  Which
is why, pace MalignD's brilliant possible readinbg of
that episode aside, I tend to read said "scattering"
as, I don't know, "resistant."  And I think you mean
what's translated here as Madness and Civilization,
Thomas.  And, again, if anyone's interested, should be
putting in an order with the Dalkey Archive shortly
...

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Have enough responses already to make it worth
attempting, though there's plenty of room for more (so
I don't have to pick up quite so much of the load) ...


--- lorentzen-nicklaus
<lorentzen-nicklaus at t-online.de> wrote:
> 
> 
> Thomas Eckhardt schrieb:
> 
> > >   sloth' psycho-spiritual "de-armorment" can be
> understood as a psychotic
> > >   development (this would be the observation
> according to so called
> > >   "scientific materialism"), or as a journey
> into bliss ... it's our
> > >   choice!
> >
> > Just a few random thoughts: This would refer to
> the notion of late
> >  Romanticism and
> > early Modernism (Baudelaire etc.) that the madman
> is not mad but a genius
> > overflowing with creative juices who is put into
> prison or Bedlam by a
> >  restrictive
> > and rational society that cannot bear his or her
> transgressions. It also fits
> >  in
> > nicely with Foucault's "Überwachen und Strafen"
> (sorry, I can't remember the
> >  English
> > title), a brillant historical examination of the
> development of the
> >  distinction
> > between sane and insane in Western civilization.
> 
>   makes me think of "l'anti-oedipe" [1972] by
> deleuze & guattari, who get 
>   mentioned in vineland. in that study on capitalism
> and schizophrenia we find 
>   lots of passages that can be connected to
> slothrop's trip: " ... the neurotic 
>   remains embedded in the resisual and artificial
> territorialities of our 
>   society and lets them swear in to oedipus as the
> hightest territoriality, 
>   which reconstitutes in the analyst's room on the
> full body of the 
>   psychoanalyst (yes, the industrialist is the
> father, and the president too, 
>   and you too, herr doktor ...). the pervert then
> takes the artifact literally: 
>   you want them, and you will get them ... more
> artificial territrialities even 
>   than those offered us by society, boundlessly
> artificial new families, 
>   mysterious queer scieties. finally, the schizo,
> staggering & stumbling all the 
>   time, incessantly wandering, getting lost deeper
> and deeper into the 
>   de-territorialization, on his organ-less body
> meditating into the endless 
>   social decomposition: perhaps these strange ways,
> the schizo's roaming about, 
>   will let him find again the earth ..." (own
> translation from chapter one).
> 
> 
>   ... & our brother sloth he made it ... kfl
> 
>  
> 


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