blicero's sexuality

[lorentzen-nicklaus]

 oh come on, terrance ... since you've been riding on mr. eddins' ticket for  
 such a long time, you should try a little harder, shouldn't you?! & didn't you 
 argue here quite similar concerning s&m and, if my memory does not mislead me, 
 homosexuality in gr? of course we can discuss whether this moment of 
 stuffyness and, perhaps, homophobia is already present in pynchon's texts 
 (later in v we'll come to a lesbian mirror love scene), but you shouldn't act  
 stupid or play it down. i'm interested here in blicero's sexuality, and that's 
 what eddins writes about it. so: is it o.k to be perverse? what does pynchon  
 say about "sado-anarchism"? what about shirley temple? & what, after all, was  
 your argument on the motif of homosexuality as well as the motif of s&m in  
 pynchon's work? this reading of eddins (which is, please correct me if i'm  
 wrong, also yours) makes definitely some sense; yet the price for its  
 "mono-contextural" positivism is too high. thomas pynchon would never pay it. 

kai //:: ps: dave, please drop me a note who "ed gein" and what "sconsinite" is. 


> I'm not sure what the point of this is. What is the
> point here? Is it that Mr. Eddins is reading Pynchon from a
> stuffy, rigid, perspective, or possibly a homophobic one? If
> so, you'll have to take that up with him. You can find his
> e-mail address online.
> People are generally happy to here that their "out of
> print"  books are still
> being read and discussed. This has been my experience with
> Mr. Eddins and others. 
> That being said,  I don't think one should be so quick
> to agree with the implicit critique in  a question like this
> one. Of course, if Eddins
> were making the argument that Kai's sentence seems to imply
> (a quote that is the second sentence of a paragraph, and
> part of long and I think the best reading of Blicero to
> date) or how you seem to be reading it, that is, that in GR 
> human
> imagination stands in opposition to natural instincts, I
> would agree with your reading, for this too would stand in
> counterpoint to much that I have been able to glean from
> reading P as well. However, this is not the argument being
> constructed by Mr. Eddins.  
>
> We will have ample opportunity to discuss sex, eroticism,
> science/relgion and
> the like  in P's fiction as we turn now to Mondaugen. 
> Reminds me to mention Poe's "The Masque of the Red Death."
>
>
> > 
> > --- lorentzen-nicklaus
> > <lorentzen-nicklaus at t-online.de> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >  "by dressing as a woman with artificial genitalia
> > > fashioned from various
> > >  synthetics and by interdicting the natural
> > > attraction between gottfried and
> > >  katje, blicero is undertaking to found a competing
> > > sexual order, one that is
> > >  entirely the product of human imagination rather
> > > than the natural instincts and
> > >  that serves death - the oven - rather than life."
> > > (dwight eddins: the gnostic
> > >  pynchon, pp. 148f.)
> > >
> > >
> > >  isn't this interpretation a little stuffy, if not
> > > homophobe?
> > >
> > >  weissmann's passionate "polymorph perversity" makes
> > > him, imo, all too human.
> > >
> > >  compare this to pointsman!
> > 
> > > frontschwester frederieke