History's rathouses & Re: blicero's sexuality

[Dave Monroe]

Well, I just think we're all in the same ship o' fools
as Pynchon's various intratextual interpreters, is
all.  Stencil, Oedipa, Slothrop, Profane, Mexico,
Pointsman, Enzian, Blicero, maybe even, though I'd
have to reraed GR with an eye towards where and how he
might be read as reading, as a reader.  And so forth. 
And I've not gone back to Vineland or M&D, but ... but
I don't think Pynchon "himself," those Pynchonian
texts, even attempt an (ultimately impossible)
absolute relativism, which is what I've bene reading
you as suggesting.  I do think he, and, more so, they,
make things very, very, difficult, very, very
complicated (that "problematization,"
"deconstruction," whatever thing), but ... 

But as you think Blicero all to easily written off
(and that is a challenging position, on e of the
genuine surprises I've come across on this list), I'm
starting to think that Stencil is all to easily
disregarded as well.  Robert Holton may or may not
have intended to suggest this, but his essay set me
off on it.  Those "Stencilized" "historical" chapters
bering nonetheless not only verifiable historical
details, but also "impersonations" of those so often
written out of, "depersonalized," perhaps, in the
narrtives of Stencil Sr's (imperialist, colonialist,
racist, sexts, whatever) generation ...

"The tale proper and the questioning took no more than
thirty minutes" (p. 228), so, obviously, Chapter Nine,
"Mondaugen's story," has, indeed, been augmented,
"stencilized," but how?  To what effect?  Can we ever
know for sure?  At all?  "The yarn had undergone
considerable change" (ibid.), apparently, but on who's
word do we have this?  The narrator's (Pynchon's?),
apparently, but ... but what does it mean to have
Eigenvalue point this out as well ("had become, as
Eigenvalue put it, Steclized")?  Can we answer any of
these question with any degree of certainty?  I've no
conclusions on any of this, unless maybe that there
are no sure conclusions, but ...

Oh, and, in response to another post here, you're
welcome.  And I still think you ought to take on
hosting Chapter Nine.  Anyone?


--- jbor <jbor at bigpond.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> ----------
> >From: Dave Monroe <davidmmonroe at yahoo.com>
> >
> 
> > Again, keep in mind, you can't have yr
> > (or, for that matter, allegedly, Pynchon's)
> absolute
> > relativism and yr very own value judgments, too.
> 
> Say what? The point would be that all value
> judgements are ultimately
> (absolutely?) relative, not some sort of constructed
> opposition between the
> two things. Wouldn't it?
> 
> best


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