man gave names to all the animals in the beginning long time ago....

[Terrance]

lorentzen-nicklaus wrote:
> 
> Otto schrieb:
> 
> > I know what you are writing offlist. Maybe you should change your therapist
> > and learn to come to terms with your xenophobia.
> 
>   so, so ... listen: i did not start playing that offlist re-entering onlist
>   game here ... i hate this, as you know, & i did not even quote the evil words
>   ... but the tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction, & i
>   won't let the fucker get through with this ... we had a lot of silly
>   onlist-talk on these issues ... hey, this is the pynchon-list where you get
>   accused of using "anti-semitic rhethorics" just because you called another
>   list-member by his family-name ... so i can understand when people are tired
>   of this whole kinda thing ... on the other side: when a list-member is refered
>   to as an animal which is associated with his country, just because terry
>   suffers from a shortage of arguments, this really crosses a border i myself
>   do not want to cross, because i feel reminded of the fact that in lots of
>   european fußballstadien (soccer-arenas) those sparrow-brained idiots make what
>   they consider to be monkey-sounds when a player of african origin gets the
>   ball ... this is, in fact, de-humanizing along the lines of xenophobic clichés
>   ... another thing i did not expect of flaherty ... & by using this formulation
>   on this other foreign list-member he also implicitly signaled me how he writes
>   offlist about me to others ... ach ja, and then there was this thing with
>   foucault ... 3 times you may guess, why this philosopher, terry never showed
>   any special interest in before, was needed in this specific p-list context and
>   why searle alone was not enough to diss derrida ... it has nothing to do with
>   foucault's brilliant style or with his theory ... right, now you got it ... (&
>   in case you're really interested in the issue, you may check out the stuff i
>   posted earlier in the day).


1. animal names? 

i guess you are referring to kangaroo, which as far as i
know is not
a racial slur or national insult to Australians or anyone
else. i don't think writing that a poster is acting like a
deconstructing kangaroo is analogous to what you describe.
if
it is, i apologize. i apologize anyway, but i have
apologized for 
my use of the animal name jack ass and other
brash language already so, i think i'll leave it at that
because when one keeps apologizing it places a burden on the
offended person and i want to take responsibility for my
offenses and not push them off on the person i have
offended. 

Also, as i stated to Otto once, i'm sure we live in very
different environments, we have, in the U.S. a very unique
society, not that there are not common elements to our
problems found around the world, 
but i think, and i mean no offense at all, 
and i do respect, and admire, particularly 
you kai for your genuine interest and love of  hip-hop
culture all of the posters from around the globe that
participate here and teach me so much, much about america,
american fiction, and all sorts of things. 

2. writing offlist about you? 

i have not, do not, will not. 

if all the offlist posts i have written were posted to the
list they would 
be only a few and nothing in any of them would cause me to
be ashamed or 
cause anyone here to take offense. 

deriada and foucault? 

terry has indeed shown an interest in both, in fact, i'll
bet another glass of port there are more substantial posts
on these, and philosophers in general, in the archives under
my silly litle personas than any other list member.  



> 
>   & jetzt zu uns, schnucki ... "i know what you are writting offlist", you say
>   ... this sounds like a sentence you hear on the phone from anonymous callers
>   ... so your inner blockwart has had its appearance now ... let him go ... your
>   implicit threat to post my offlist-stuff adressed to you to the list is really
>   below your dignity ... but of course: do whatever you like and live with the
>   consequences! however, i'm not even sure if i get what you're actually talking
>   about ... the only person i've furiously written about to you is millison.
>   well, i probably used - in my teutonic unflätigkeit - all kinds of
>   four-letter-words. & i also used, onlist and offlist alike, words like
>   "pestilent", "pestilence" or "plague-boil"; these, though i took into account
>   the insulting connotations, were primarily meant as psychological terms in the
>   sense of wilhelm reich's concept of "emotional plague"; since this has caused
>   misunderstanding i'll stop using this terminology. anyway, even a hard and,
>   in a certain sense, de-humanizing formulation like plague-boil (pestbeule) has
>   nothing to do with nationality or ethnicity, so i do not really see your
>   point ... i did not call millison a cheeseburger (like in "kraut" or "kiwi"),
>   & i did not call him with (us-specific) animal names ... well, otto, the worst
>   thing about your posting is of course that - just because we share the same
>   nationality - you, like thomas e. in former times, acted [thank you so much,
>   david, for intervening here: you really do care!] as if you were my
>   "discourse-democratical probation officer" or something ... stop this or i'll
>   kick your ass ... & für den fall ziehst du dich besser etwas wärmer an ...
> 
> kai //:: ps: my neo-reichian therapy was successfully finished in november; it
>              took me - all in all - four years.
> 
> 


too bad about the blunt brother, hope you change your mind
one day. 

Peace out, 

Terry McMilkman