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Mon Mar 26 14:31:56 CST 2001


Apologies to David and Scott if I did misinterpret their comments. But, even
so, I would also say that it's not really your place to make that call,
Terrance. It seems to me that you are trying to suggest that I am guilty of
misquotation, and thus evade the issues being discussed. This is a
particularly unfair rhetorical tactic.

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From: Terrance <lycidas2 at earthlink.net>
>

> Is this what David Morris asked?


> ----------
>>From: "David Morris" <fqmorris at hotmail.com>
>>Subject: The Death Cycle
>>Date: Sat, Mar 24, 2001, 1:32 AM
>>
>
>>
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>> I don't see the "cycle of
>> infection and death" which _Blicero_ refers to as Nature's cycle.  The
>> infection/death cycle is that of Their System in which Fathers infect Sons
>> in perpetuity all in the service of the Mad Bus Driver.
>>
>> Your statement above that this cycle is "(Rilke, not Weissman's misreading
>> of Rilke)" is illogical because this is Weissman speaking, isn't it?  It
>> would have to mean whatever Weissman thinks it means.  Blicero wants to
>> transcend the system which produced him (through annihilation it would
>> seem), Their Death System.  At least that's how I see it.



From: Terrance <lycidas2 at earthlink.net>
>
> Is this what Scott pointed out?

>
> ----------
>>From: "Scott Badger" <lupine at ncia.net>
>>Subject: RE: Pynchon's Badass
>>Date: Mon, Mar 26, 2001, 12:46 AM
>>
>
>> Though I generally agree with your characterizations of Blicero, I still
>> think that Marvy, despite his thoroughly racist, sexist, self-gratifying
>> attitudes, is given a public appeal (except from the victim's pov) that
>> Blicero lacks and I question "public veneration" (to paraphrase) as a
>> necessary Badass qualification - by my reading of the characters, it would
>> disqualify Blicero and nominate Marvy as a potential BA.

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