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[Terrance]

Otto wrote:

> >
> >
> > Why is that these men cannot bear to be out of Dora?
> > Why is the "liberation" a banishment?
> 
> Beginning with the last I would say it's the usual reversal of the sides of
> a binary opposition. The release becomes a punishment because in the camp
> they did not have to hide their sexual orientation. The fact that they were
> there, their "Rosa Winkel" made that clear that they are. Released into
> "normal" society (which isn't normal as Katz shows) they fell again under
> the §175 StGB (Strafgesetzbuch). Let me refer to Dave Morris' post from
> today to this.

But at the moment, while they are out of Dora, in an all
male homosexual community, surrounded by guards, why would
they set up a hierarchies to mimic the ones they experienced
inside? There are no SS now. The texts reads that the
homosexual community would "Ordinarily be Thanatz's notion
of paradise except that none of the men can bear to be out
of Dora..." 

So I think we have to deal with Thanatz's notion of paradise
and why they set up their hierarchies with Blicero at the
top. Some of what Rob is saying here and has argues in the
past makes a lot of sense and I agree that the men choose
Blicero, in part. for the reasons he notes, but there is
more to it. And I will argue that all the irony works
against Blicero. He may some kinda ""badass"" or whatever,
but what does this mean? That's what I am getting at. 

There is a lot here to work out. 

Thanks again,