basless theory

Wolfgang Karrer karrerw at uos.de
Fri May 4 03:25:48 CDT 2001


Hi,

what really went on in Peenemünde and in Nordhausen is well researched in
Rainer Eisfeld`s book on Wernher von Braun. Title "Mondsüchtig". It is
particularly good on the Poekler figure in GR, the concentration camp Dora
and von Braun`s knowledge aboiut it. WK.

jill schrieb:

> Hi,
>
> Not baseless. Not all baseless. I read
>  Peenemunde to Canaveral / Dieter K. Huzel ; with an introduction by
> Wernher von Braun.
>
> Huzel doesn't say it was the government who wanted this. He paints a
> picture of a broken government of boobs, who at this point were far more
> inferior at strategic planning to the scientists. He says that as a
> Peenemunde scientist, he was involved in the escape of Peenemunde and
> the motoring away with loads of important documents. In that period at
> the end of the war, they were hopeful that if there were ambush by an
> enemy, that it would be the the US who would take the scientists back.
> The Soviets, who they viewed as rapists and looters. And Huzel also
> states that there was some wish to keep the very very important
> documents together as a corpus, very very secure, and I think he said
> they were put in a mine shaft... But he doesn't say anything about
> leaving trails for the US on purpose.
>
> -jill
>
> > cj hurtt wrote:
> >
> > recently someone put forth the idea of a free day. well here is my
> > baseless theory.
> >
> > i was reading "war as background in gravity's rainbow" by kachig
> > toloyan the other day and came across this passage:
> >
> > "Traveling to the front lines in April, 1945, he [major robert staver,
> > commander of the u.s. army rocket scavenger branch] captured a
> > document known as the Osenberg list. Like the documents from Blizna,
> > these were thrown by retreating German troops into the toilet of a
> > building whose toilets had malfunctioned because they were overworked
> > in flushing away shredded documents."
> >
> > the essay goes on to explain that the osenberg list listed 15,000
> > people involved with the v-2 project. and not only their names but
> > also their weaknesses and sexual predilictions. staver then uses this
> > list to create one of his own. a list of people he wants to recruit
> > for the u.s. he has names, places, and how to entice/blackmail them.
> > so naturally i thought of pokler. and what i was wondering was, could
> > a case be made for the idea ( as far as gr goes) that pokler was
> > being led by the nose as part of a u.s. german collaboration? what i
> > mean is, perhaps some in the german govt   saw it as beneficial to let
> > the allies have some of their scientists. if the allies were going to
> > "win" the war then it would behoove all involved (ig farben, brit
> > steel, standard oil) that the brains would be getting the dough they
> > needed to finish their work.
> > just a wollgathering and not anything more.




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