$2.4 million for Kerouac scroll

[Otto]

> this is all so obvious to me, so obvious it drives me
> nuts that I can't get it across, but Otto is cool, so
> cool, when I argued against the capitalism thing, even
> though it too is so obvious, P hates capitalism as much as
> Teilhard, is not even as complicated about it as Melville,
> more like Dickens critique of Mill & Co. in Hard Times,
> but do note that P goes after capitalism in the Sloth essay.
> The Sloth essay, yes man it's there, Melville and christianity
> and capitalism. But all I got from Doug is insults and
> mud kicked in my face, I was tossing beach balls fat on the outside of the
> plate, any lefty, even Strawberry on crack would have
> sent them over the wall, but anyway, you remember that the
> society of jesus has always been an interesting order, man they
> were the Judas of the church in the 1950s and 1960s and P knew this, yeah
> Dylan was 60, judas your a lier, wagner too, missed his b-day
> here, but man, P traces those jesuits from V. to M&D, I ching feet, what
> happened to the Jezzys that turned east, the "heretics" that
> discovered in the I ching what Leibnitz could not, what happened to
> Teilhard? Sure, they let him live, some of what he wrote
> will never see the light of god, P's kinda book.
>
> "I set sail...in the hope that Eastward yet migh dwell
> something of Peace and Godhead...."
>
> Paola!!! Paul!
>
> Think about this, in the Sloth essay P goes after
> capitalism and Ben Fraklin. Now old Ben thinks
> there is some kinda chinese/jesuit conpricacy.
>
> Don't have the time, but check out what the
> catholic church did to supress the great
> pantheists/"atheists" within the church. See Pike, P's source
> for Freemasonry and Pantheis/"atheism."
>

Doesn't taking the Christian sources serious and for real inevitably turn a
good catholic into a heretic opposing the organized church?

> >
> > > What's Joyce's religion?
> >
> >Anti-Catholic!
>
> He was a catholic too. If he were simply an anti-catholic as you
> say here, we would not think so highly of the man.
> He was anti-catholic not as those that hate and
> kill catholics because they hate catholics and hate
> christians and hate religion but as a catholic and an
> irish catholic to boot. Did he hate ireland too? What would
> joyce have written if he were not irish and not catholic and not
> anti-catholic and anti-irish? Yes I know there is a
> difference, but this aint no seminar so.
> Maybe some great fiction, but not any of the books we
> admire him for.
>
>

My "Anti-Catholic!" doesn't necessarily have to include hatred and is
actually more "anti-religious" in general, but the questions you put on
schedule are very interesting. Real important criticism has to come from
within the system.

"Ulysses" opens with Mulligan mocking Catholicism, but is this hate?

If he were a roman-catholic influenced American raised in puritan
environment maybe books about fake conspiracies, rockets or art forgery?
What about Reverend Gwyon?

Otto

PS  I'm not so sure about my coolness. If I were not convinced that these
books have something to do with my own life too I wouldn't be involved the
way I am.