pynchon-l-digest V2 #1844

[Swing Hammerswing]

jbor:

I agree with you that Blicero's "sweeping" historical recognition of those
"bigger forces" could certainly be favourably contrasted with Pudding's
tunnel vision. (_GR_ 722-23) Blicero certainly seems to have a good grasp of
the "big picture", and presents a historical vista and interpretation which
is close to his creator's. Imo.

Well, sharks will bite anything, even Jay Bore dipped in shit.

What does it mean to be close here? Like a horseshoe, like a hand grenade, 
like an ICBM?


Why does Pynchon have the Captain wear a false cunt crafted by the notorious 
Mme. Ophir in Berlin? Why is it that he wears false labia and bright purple 
clitoris molded of synthetic rubber (see Sasuly) and Mipolam, the new 
polyvinyl chloride? Why the nihilistic pleasure? Why is the target also the 
launch site?
Why are they all condemned? Why the Oven? Why the Fairy Tale Hansel and 
Gretel? Why the Kingdom of Death, the Moon? What does Blicero mean by 
Destiny?

Can this character's grasp of the big picture, his historical vista and 
interpretation be close to Pynchon's ?

Sure, but there is a big difference. Isn't there?

Many of the characters share their creator's view of things. Many are close, 
but there is always a distance.  jbor and Doug are both unable to see this. 
They confuse the author and his creations, deliberately so, I suspect, 
because this allows them to argue. Pynchon is but a common excuse.

Katje's thoughts on page 105 are obviously invested with her creator's 
satire-"the business of the War (p's caps) is buying and selling." But to 
say that Katje view of History are close to her creator's is say very 
little. The creations, Pynchon's characters, even the "narrative" ones like 
Cherrycoke and Stencil, Flange, are not to be confused with the author. Of 
course, the author is not to be confused with the author's of
Bush bashing yellow journalism or holocaust denial revisionism, postmodern 
critical theory or anyone else.

jbor slipped in the conversation between Esther and Slab about abortion and 
the trivial Nazi soap. But he made no serious comment on the passage, 
although he will say he did. He simply baited the hook with Pynchon and 
dropped it into the shark-infested waters in Doug's private pond. I tried to 
argue with Doug about capitalism, he knows that we are on the same page on 
this, but he will excuse his assault on my persona by saying that I posted 
under a false name and besides I had a hangnail.

But the only way to stop all of this silly bickering, and all this
"I'm a better list serve  participant than you are"

is to require that posts reference those Pynchonian texts, but that's not a 
reasonable request now.

Swing away boys, hammer away, let the nails fly, ricocheting round the world 
in cybertown. The rest of us
will be in the bar drinking and telling jokes about the house that dipshit 
and Doug built.

Safety glasses and Hard hats must be worn by all on this site.


>From: David Morris <fqmorris at yahoo.com>
>To: Doug Millison <millison at online-journalist.com>, pynchon-l at waste.org
>Subject: Re: pynchon-l-digest V2 #1844
>Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 06:54:33 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>Doug,
>
>You have become the bad joke of the P-list, and your masochism never 
>ceases.
>Just because you know you're right (and everbody else is wrong) doesn't 
>mean
>you're not crazy.
>
>David Morris
>
>
>--- Doug Millison <millison at online-journalist.com> wrote:
> > Toss a tid-bit, watch the five of them root around in their own muck,
> > twisting into knots and contradicting themselves and baldly lying.
> > It's quite amusing, actually, although a bit pathetic to see how they
> > appear to be visualizing this conversation as some sort of physical
> > encounter, in which they imagine they are physically beating me
> > ("drubbing" was the word Malign used, I think, and yapping dog
> > "Morris" tends to those sorts of tropes, too) -- that's a bit creepy,
> > but no accounting for taste, whatever gets you off I guess.
> > --
> > d  o  u  g    m  i  l  l  i  s  o  n  <http://www.online-journalist.com>
>
>
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