NP Afghanistan

[Tiarnán Ó Corráin]

On Friday 09 November 2001 20:12, jbor wrote:
> millison at online-journalist.com wrote:
> > Interesting how those anonymous emailers -- olio the most recent -- show
> > up to argue along with you and the dogpack, isn't it, fq?
>
> Your use of the term "dogpack" is offensive. Yes, real people who
> contribute to the pynchon-list disagree with the anti-American position you
> have staked out in regard to the current situation in Afghanisation, 

Oh for Chrissake stop using words like "Anti-American". They don't mean much, 
and recall the House Committee of Un-American activities. We live in scary 
times, when internal repression looms as the US Government chases its tail 
and even considers allowing torture under certain circumstances. Do we learn 
nothing from history? We've been through it before. There were no commies 
under the bed, but they were in the intelligence services alright. 
America's a country, not a cause.

> the way you address anyone who disagrees with you as war-mongering slime,

I don't know about slime, but you are war-mongerers. It's simple. Look up the 
word: you are in favour of war, like many on the list. Fair enough, it's a 
point of view, and while I disagree completely with it, I respect it. But 
call it what it is: war-mongerering. If you're afraid of the term, then 
you're probably afraid of the reality. Think about it.

> even more have had enough of your odious propagandising, and just about
> everyone is fed up to the back teeth with your sanctimonious moralising and
> hypocritical accusations.

Such a flurry of adjectives! Odious, sanctimonious, hypocritical. All 
evocative, and all used incorrectly. As to propaganda, you should explain 
your use of "Anti-American". What does it mean? Does it mean anti-war? 
Pacifist? Is it anti-American to point out the consequences of the U.S. 
devastation of Afghanistan?

One of the remarkable things about the U.S. Constitution, which has served as 
a model for democratic constitutions around the world is its celebration of 
the right to freedom of speech. You exercise yours, I excercise mine. Both 
are pro-American in a far more meaningful way than your McCarthy-ite use of 
the term.

> As far as your "supporters" - Kurt-Werner, "jbframe", "toby levy", "richard
> fiero", "barbara100", tiarnan - what percentage of those would you classify
> as "anonymous emailers". 

Meaningless. Look at the headers for the email. If you want to find out a 
little about us, do a little digging. Plug the email addresses into a search 
engine. Ditch the paranoia. I assure you that I am not Millison, nor one of 
his supporters. We may agree on certain things about this war, that does not 
make us members of the same Whole Sick Crew.

If you're so worried about authentication, why don't you sign your email 
digitally?

-- 
Tiarnán Ó Corráin       <ocorrain at esatclear.ie/ocorrain at yahoo.com> 
Alliance: In international politics, the union of two thieves who have
their hands so deeply inserted in each other's pocket that they cannot
separately plunder a third.
				-- Ambrose Bierce