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[Terrance]

Welcome aboard, gee, it's a fabulous cock fight

As far as we're concerned, pretty much any Doug-related topic is OK on
this
list, from Doug's personas through dark discussions of our favorite
madman, to
bullshit as heavy as you want. 



uh, - wasn't there mention of a _Mason & Dixon_
group read on a yahoo clubs site or somesuch?
anyone impartial still here who can tell us
how its going?

JL



(Whereas your taciturn Nordic nerd *is* getting
more and more concerned of "Millison"'s mental health.)

"Heikki" "Raudaskoski"

The only thing 
we agree upon is the fact that you're clinically insane. This is a good
way 
to desribe someone who can't differentiate between friends and enemies,
no? 

Does anyone on this list have a job? Where does everyone get the time to 
contribute? No wonder America's in a recession right now; a significant 
portion of its intelligentsia is spending its time arguing with Doug 
Millison.

Nathan Thurm here (aka pantychrist, Woody Tobias Jr., Dan Jizzenberry, 
and Carlton Fist, 'Preparation Heche'--all under the same e-mail account



The post you recently quoted as "proof" that I was calling him
anti-Semitic was in fact a point-for-point refutation of this baseless
accusation, as the links I included demonstrate that my real purpose in
posting to the list included a number of motivations and that I was not
proud of the instances in which I was drawn into a flame exchange.

Derek M. 

 One thing is certain: you are mad. Will you please get some help soon?

                                Yours ever affectionately,
                                              Licka Mee

Amen.

signed

eulenspiegel

not to wake up this morning with more than 50 emails related to the doug 
millison wars.

	Richard Romeo

again, I apologize to the list for feeding this monkey's monkey, but
this kinda thing goes on longer than it should partly 'cause there's
nobody
on the list anymore wants to stick their neck out/nose in when some
idiot
starts spewin' a lotta ad hominum. 

	Henry Musikar



Essentially you are calling "Terrance and
rj/jbor/rjackson" "fascists" here, aren't you? 

I was only adressing the actual sentence from Doug
which I quoted. Fascism in Pynchon or the "real world"
was not my subject. The sentence clearly implied that
Terrance and jbor were on the pro-fascist side of
things. Basically, I wanted to point to this fact and
ask whether this was Doug's intention. He has denied
it. Fine.

Thomas

P.S. It was not me who created the binary division
between "anti-fascist" and something else that we may
reasonably assume is "pro-fascist" or "fascist". In
the passage from Doug which I quoted this division is
expressed by the image of the "fence".  

Maybe we need to have a "Doug for a Day" competition.

Then again, maybe not.

end

Regards

Bruce Appelbaum


I think this statement should be reconsidered.  The trauma of losing or
even
nearly losing property, one's home, one's place of business, or having
one's
neighborhood become an unrecognizable toxic waste site, etc., shouldn't
be
shrugged off as something that can merely be compensated for by
insurance or
government bailouts.  The trauma is inextricably tied to "people and
feelings."  Furthermore, the costs of those payouts adds to the economic
ripple effect, which can also have a devastating effect on "people and
feelings."

d.

By the way, I'm hardly "pro-war." I'm a Vietnam vet who's very much
against it.-- though I'm even more against your style of angelic
rhetoric and smug righteousness.

Apologies for my intemperate remarks. Guess I've gotten too tired of all
the
editorial fallout (which, like all political rhetoric, has been largely
predictable and cliche-ridden) from the events of 9/11. Inexcusable of
me to add
to the ongoing deterioration of the P-list -- once a place where one
could
expect to find astute literary insights and illuminating critical
debate; now
pretty much a forum for puerile political rants.

David Simpson


I have tried to stay out of the current acrimonious conversation, partly
because I am comfortable in my long-time lurker status and partly
because it
seems to me that arguing with Doug is an enormous waste of energy. But I
grow weak. 

One of the things that infuriates the people you correspond with on this
list, Doug, is your apparent conviction that only you are capable of
mourning the casualties of war.

Don Corathers


You really are sickeningly hypocritical.
Your off list mail to me from 3 weeks ago came from the address:
big one <slothrop666
[offlist message deleted]
-Doug
An address coincidentally used not that long ago for a burst of puerile
name calling on the p-list

	James K
I'm really sorry for John Bailey.  He didn't do it.  I did.  Whatever it 
was that I said that so upset our man.  I'm baffled.  I was just having
a 
bit of fun and I can't see how I could have offended anybody.  Curioser
and 
curiouser.

John Lundy

I was taught to double space after a period for all business
correspondence.
That doesn't mean I'm Doug or Barbara, does it?

	Judy P. 

Dear Barbara:

If I may intrude your endless soliloquy...

Kind regards,

Michel



once again the attention-starved "doug" has succeeded
in inverting the focus of this list onto himself --

a plea for tenderness.
 mj


An interviewer would ask the P-Man
questions.

- Why did M&D take 20 years to write?
- It did?
- That's what I heard.
- Right ...

A critic seeks to decode the text to expose the author who lurks within
(what Allon White, in his study of the modernist novel, called
"symptomatic
reading").

- Is he gay?
- Well yes, I think he is. There's a lot of evidence.
- Is he a woman?
- I wouldn't rule it out.

	Paul Nightingale

I had a vision of everyone on the  P-list standing and shouting, 'I am 
Millison' while centurions build crosses for the lot of us.  But hey, 
that's just me.

    P.Rhaenda

The War, DOug, what else is there? 

Richard Fiero

've been part of the P-list for many years. I am great admirer of
Pynchon's
work but I don’t deify him. In fact I have no interest in what he looks
like, what he does in his private life and etc. I have known many a
famous
writer and painter and frankly their personal life’s are for the most
part
disappointments. So when I admire an artist work I have little interest
in
his neurosis and personal obsessions outside of the ones I deduce - true
or
not - from his work. The reason for this little preamble is that much of
what goes on the P-List concerning the Pynchon personality I consider
garbage, the worst kind of white noise parading under the guise of
intellectual and literary pursuit but in reality is probably an escape
from
one's own empty and sad life. So one can well imagine I skip many of the
posts. I don't like group readings but occasionally like to read some of
them because sometimes something of interest, but rarely unique insight
is
revealed. For the most part all of it is far too obsessional  for me.

Now it is this last word 'obsessional' that has promoted this rare post
and
obsession in regards to Mr. Millison. For all those who argue and have
argued, because my observations informs me that one rarely discusses
anything with Mr. Millison. he does not allow it regardless of what he
may
think. Now as to this latest exchange regarding our present world
situation
vis-a-vis 9-11, you are wasting your time with Mr. Millison.

Mr. Millison you see has become in age what he's probably always been --
an
old man. An old man forever reaching back to the defining moments of his
youth, the Sixties and Vietnam. He's relived these moments ever since in
everything he's done and read, or rather read into. And he's certainly
demonstrated that he's done this with all of Pynchon. But for the moment
when the past reemerges and becomes one for Mr. Millison we have WTC
disaster and all his youth his relived and all those long ago emotions
of
Vietnam are reawaken in this living dream or perhaps nightmare that he
impos
es on the P-List. Can you all not see that this is Mr. Millison last
hurrah
which has nothing to do with listening, being right or wrong. It is
simply a
backward look at his youth and Mr. Millison is caught in its unforgiving
grip as he walk into the sunset of his life. All this talk of right and
just
causes, the realpolitik of world power balances and all the conspiracies
that manipulates this world of ours is really secondary to Mr.
Millison's
monumental struggle with his big white whale of his youth and his coming
of
age during Vietnam, and even Vietnam and the WTC and its aftermath pale
as
Mr. Millison hopefully realizes he has become an old man, an old man as
Krapp's Last Tape listening over and over to a meaningless babble and
not
realizing it, Mr.Millison thinking I am on the side of the right and the
compassionate of the world , listen to me, heed my warning I, Millison
speak
the truth, open your eyes and ears P-List can you all not see and hear
that
I am not babbling like an old fool . . . .

SCB