Subject/Objective Reality/Illusion

[Michel Ryckx]

Subjectivity is when a list member says that the works of mr. Pynchon indicate the author is
a religious man, and someone else says: no, it's clear he's an atheist.

Paul Mackin wrote:

> "barbara100 at jps.net" wrote:
>
> > Sheesh! now I'm more confused than I was.  Are you saying I've got it backwards, Paul?
>
> No, not exactly backwards. Just using your post as a jumping off place to express my
> dislike of the subjective vs objective readings idea. A personal idiosyncray. To me all
> readings are subjective. Prefer that other distinctions be made.
>
> Personal vs impersonal
> Local vs Global
> supported vs unsupported.
>
> Semioticians or linguisticians have a word for overly personal readings. Is it
> "empirical" by any chance? Don't know.
>
>         P.
>
> >
> >
> > Original Message:
> > -----------------
> > From: Paul Mackin paul.mackin at verizon.net
> > Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:51:34 -0500
> > To: pynchon-l at waste.org
> > Subject: Re: Subject/Objective Reality/Illusion
> >
> > barbara100 at jps.net wrote:
> >
> > > So what are objective and subjective readings anyway?
> >
> > The normal way of viewing it is that reading and writing are subjective
> > although there are objects involved -- the book lying open in my lap, the ink
> > spread over the pages, the yellow tablet on my desk, the pencil., etc., etc. .
> >  .
> >
> > > We love to toss those
> > > words around--I remember them bouncing off the walls in class--but what do
> > > they mean in the context of reading a novel?
> >
> > Not much I would honestly have to say.
> >
> > > A Thomas Pynchon novel, for
> > > example. Is an objective reading one where we focus on the intent of the
> > > writer--Gottfried as a gross example of the consequence of war and political
> > > corruption--
> >
> > Subjective. How could it be otherwise?
> >
> > > and a subjective reading one where we feel the text through
> > > personal filters--the flush of my cheeks when I pictured him stuffed into
> > > his death capsule wrapped in bridal lace and Imipolex G?
> >
> > Blood rushing to face is objective.
> >
> > > If these are our
> > > objective and subjective choices, I'd have to ask, How could we read one way
> > > without the other? Objective/Subjective--it's like the yin and yang of
> > > literature, and reality.
> > >
> >
> > p.
> >
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