Oh, no! War talk on Pynchon-L?

[Paul Mackin]

Don't know if the war will have any clear winners but Doug is the clear
loser.
        P.
----- Original Message -----
From: <barbara100 at jps.net>
To: <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 5:37 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Oh, no! War talk on Pynchon-L?


> I was gonna moan, Oh, for Heaven's sake, when I read Terrance's latest.
Talk about flare-ups after a relatively quiet few weeks.  He did seem to
insinuate
> war talk wasn't fair game here, at least where Doug is concerned. No he
didn't say it outright, but he did insinuate it. Didn't he?  Should I go
back and read it? Should you?
> And I think there's a lot of evidence to support the idea that some
p-listers don't take what Pynchon writes seriously.  It's not a whiney and
self-serving statement, it's an astute observation. Of course you might not
think so, but I do. I would try to produce evidence to support the idea, but
what use would it be if reading is such a subjective experience? You'd only
refute it. So let's just chalk it up to differences of opinions, shall we?
> Barbara
>
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: The Great Quail quail at libyrinth.com
> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:35:49 -0500
> To: pynchon-l at waste.org
> Subject: Re: Oh, no! War talk on Pynchon-L?
>
>
> Oh, for heaven's sake!
>
> Doug moans,
>
> >Ignore Pynchon's serious treatment of issues of war, Cold War, complicity
> >in war crimes, etc., if you wish,
>
> 1. No one is ignoring any of this; in fact, by postulating different
> interpretations and/or expressing our views that Pynchon's writing
> contains unknown elements and ambiguities, we are decidedly *not*
> ignoring it. I think what you mean is, "Disagree with my
> interpretation of Pynchon's serious treatment..." Yes?
>
> >but many Pynchon readers choose to take
> >what Pynchon writes seriously.
>
> 2. You are assuming that disagreeing with you implies we do not take
> Pynchon seriously; you have no evidence for this. It's just a
> ludicrous, self-serving, whiny statement.
>
> >Pynchon's not all funny character names and
> >narratological games, after all.
>
> 3. Has anyone recently stated this?
>
> >He appears to take politics and history
> >and especially the War that never ends quite seriously, and certainly
it's
> >fair game for discussion on Pynchon-L.
>
> 4. Again, has anyone stated that it is not fair game?
>
> Yet again, a mixture of distortion and paranoia.....What the hell are
> you even saying any of this for? Or are we about to be subjected to
> another case of Doug e-Herpes Flare Up after a few weeks of relative
> calm? Eeek, I say, eeeeek!
>
> --Quail
>
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