Keyser Soze / Doug and Terrance

[Paul Mackin]

This time I wasn't being ironic. I thought Kelly's basic point was
correct--that pacifists' advice to avoid use of military power in the
present situation is something that can be offered with complete impunity
only because there's no chance in Hell that anybody in authority will follow
it. Further there seemed to be the implication that the peace activists felt
just as reassued by this as any other American.


I usually dispise what Kelly has to say. As I said earlier he belongs on Fox
News. I don't approve of his use of words like phoney, fraud, liars, and
hypocrites. Don't agree with his:  "What they really mean is that war should
not be waged by them .It should be waged by other mothers's sons and
daughters." (It might have been fairer to say that not many of the
domonstrating college students consciously realize that they are going to
owe whatever future safety is obtained for them largely to poor African
Americans and Lower class white southerners out  doing the fighting)

I don't know what you mean by Kelly having "nostalgia for the sixties." Can
you elaborate? You don't mean do you that back in the 60s and the Vietnam
war the Left had something to talk about in comparison to now. Doubt if
Kelly would have such a thought. He's a "my country right or wrong" type guy
of the worst sort or so I would imagine.  This doesn't mean he can't be
basically correct in the current context.

        P.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Judy Panetta" <judy at firemist.com>
To: <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 10:14 AM
Subject: RE: Keyser Soze / Doug and Terrance


> To use a term favored on this list...Paul, are you being ironic? Do you
> really believe that Mr. Kelly is presenting a reasonable argument here?
Who
> was it that requested that Doug leave the sixties behind? What I found
most
> remarkable about this article is its rhetoric and Mr. Kelly's nostalgia
for
> the sixties.
>
> I envy the man. I wish that I could seek to understand the world with such
> graceful simplicity.
>
> Best, JP
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pynchon-l at waste.org [mailto:owner-pynchon-l at waste.org]On
> Behalf Of Paul Mackin
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 9:52 AM
> To: pynchon-l at waste.org
> Subject: Re: Keyser Soze / Doug and Terrance
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jasper Fidget" <fakename at tokyo.com>
> >  I think you and Doug et al
> > are fools, and while I'd love to see you change your minds, if Sept 11
was
> > insufficient to do so, then I'd rather not witness the terrible
> proportions
> > of the slaughter that would be required for it.
>
>
> I t might be nice if a few minds could be changed. but does it really
matter
> all that much what "peace activists" say and think. It is inconcievable
that
> the U.S. not do what it can to protect itself as forcefully as necessary.
>
>  This is fortunate for pacifist and nonpacifist Americans alike and for
many
> in the rest of the world as well..
>
> Michael Kelly is at it again about pacifists in the morning Post. He's a
> rabble rouser born and bred but I like most if not all of what he says
here.
>
>   http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61527-2001Oct3.html
>
>         P.
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