Vietnam combat soldiers

[John Lundy]

Let me get this right, Jizz.  You have all the time in the world to take 
about the monomania of the one person who is us, ie the p-list, but haven't 
the time to ascertain to a degree of high probability whether working class 
and Afro-Americans were statistically over-represented in the major 
conflicts of the past century?  Don't tell me Jizz that you have a real 
life independent of the petty internecine debates of the p-list.

Say it isn't so.

JL

On Thursday, 11 October 2001 12:31, Dan Jizzenberry 
[SMTP:pantychrist at hotmail.com] wrote:
> To be fair to Terrance, what I did show was that a disproportionate 
number
> of blacks and lower-class whites saw action in Vietnam. This is pretty 
much
> consensus in the historical community (I'm a PhD candidate in American
> history, by the way). I provided you with two quotes, one from Michael
> Maclear and one from Arthur Schlesinger Jr. I did not, however, present 
any
> info w/r/t the class make-up of the soldiers who fought in WWII and their 
> post-WWII counterparts. It took me long enough just to hunt down the 
Maclear
> and Schlesinger quotes--I just didn't have the time to flip through my
> American history texts and pull out a relevant quote on WWII. Moreover, 
it
> wasn't even the main point of my original post. I was talking about proxy 
> wars, after all. My comment on WWII was a peripheral point at best. 
Having
> said that, anyone familiar with American history would know that my
> arguments are both unoriginal (in that any number of mainstream 
historians
> have made similar points) and do not warrant the amount of controversy
> they've produced here. They may sound like leftist propaganda, but I 
assure
> you that these points can be found in any number of texts--be they 
leftist,
> centrist, or what have you. See my earlier e-mail for a list. Look up 
John
> Dower and John Blum while you're at it. I just don't have the time to do 
it
> for you.
>
>
> From: Doug Millison <millison at online-journalist.com>
> To: pynchon-l at waste.org
> Subject: Vietnam combat soldiers
> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:49:57 -0700
>
> Since it is widely accepted as historical fact that a disproportionate
> number of combat soldiers in Vietnam were poor and of color -- Scratchit 
or
> Dingleberry or one of those anonymous folks cited several historians who
> made that general point while Terrance was dozing I guess  -- it would 
seem
> appropriate that Terrance  might offer to provide facts to support what
> appears to be (you haven't made a very clear point, in the final 
analysis) a
> revisionist assertion.  Put up or shut up, as they say.
>
> It's interesting to recall that the two U.S. Vietnam War combat veterans
> who appear in Pynchon's work -- I'm thinking of the guys in Vineland who
> escort Brock Vond down to the river where the Native Americans will 
remove
> his bones -- are black and chicano, respectively.  That would be the 
Pynchon
> novel that castigates the policies of the Reagan-Bush
> Administration, if you recall.
>
>
> rj -- for somebody who claims to be Australian, you sure seem to have a 
lot
> invested in the Bush Administration.  I figure if President Bush can
> exploit the 9-11 tragedy for political capital before the bodies were 
cold,
> it's OK for me to call him on his bs.  I didnt have a chance to grieve 
the
> loss of loved ones in NYC before he was ramming his plans for cowboy 
revenge
> through Congress.  I'll let you write him the love letters and join in 
the
> chorus of praise for his "statesmanship" along with the corporate media.
>
> -Doug
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