Various and sundry

[Paul Mackin]

All she is saying is GIVE DOUG A CHANCE.

A girl with the heart of a new minted penny

            P,


----- Original Message -----
From: <barbara100 at jps.net>
To: <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 12:32 AM
Subject: Re: Various and sundry


> Obviously you're mad at Doug, but what  IS wrong with being a pacifist? Or
a
> peacenik?  Or someone who wants to use restraint in this situation? You
guys
> love to spew out the words, but what's your problem with it?  Seriously.
> What's wrong with not being pissed off at the world and not wanting to
pass
> on our lies and suffering? Somebody try to argue that!  (Would they dare
try
> to use Pynchon for it? God, tell me No! It's worse than the desecration of
> the Holy land!)
> Some of us are making plenty of arguments for why we should 'give peace a
> chance.'  Citing Thomas Pynchon, posting NP articles (reputable and
> non-reputable alike), offering up a some  free-hand analysis too.
> You pick Doug to hell down there, but what do you say to make your own
> point? The point being we should NOT be  pacifists. Or peaceniks. Or just
> folks who wanna use a little restraint.
> I don't mean to just pick on you, jbor.  I'd like to hear why from any of
> you. I don't think we hear enough from that side of the issue, honestly.
I
> hear a lot of 'he's this and she's that' but not very much 'I'm this and
I'm
> that.'
> My name is Barbara and I think the only smart bomb is one that stays up in
> the sky and never comes down. (Heard that in a song on the radio today.)
> Heh, heh, heh.......
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jbor <jbor at bigpond.com>
> To: <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Various and sundry
>
>
> > millison at online-journalist.com wrote:
> >
> > >> The fact that his credibility has
> > >> risen, not just in the U.S. but world-wide,
> > >
> > > Yes, he's especially well-loved among Muslims, I hear. A chip off the
> old
> > > block.
> >
> > Your simplistic Islam vs the West construction echoes bin Laden's
> rhetoric.
> > There are many Muslims across the globe who do not hold with terrorism,
> and
> > who do not pledge any allegiance to the Taliban. As usual, you present
> only
> > one side of the story to score your hit.
> >
> > This address was more clear-sighted and "pacifist" in spirit than
anything
> > you've posted in the past month:
> >
> > http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/17/gen.hate.crimes/
> >
> > "Bush denounces Muslim harassment"
> >
> >
> > Your inane bowdlerisation of Wittgenstein's dictum is to be expected.
> >
> >
> > Ironically perhaps, it seems as if the Muslim vote helped tip the scales
> in
> > Bush's favour last year, when he was elected as U.S. President (remember
> > that?):
> >
> > http://www.islamiqdaily.com/world/art_wld3_16102000.php4
> >
> > "Muslim groups laud Bush's stand on secret evidence"
> >
> > http://www.soundvision.com/politics/endorsement.shtml
> >
> > "Muslim organizations endorse George W. Bush for President"
> >
> > http://www.arabia.com/life/article/english/0,1690,33635,00.html
> >
> > "Exit polls show Muslims voted in bloc for Bush"
> >
> > best
> >
> >
> >
>
>