NP BIN LADEN: Wanted Dead, Not Alive?

[Doug Millison]

Doug:
> (and not the summary execution in the field that the Bush
> Administration is said to favor)

rj/rjackson/jbor/?:
>Always with the innuendoes and passive voice manipulations: "is said to
>favor" ... By whom? By you, that's who.

Wrong again, my friend, I'm just passing along what's been reported
elsewhere; if you object to what The Atlantic and Washington Times are
reporting, I suggest you contact those publications directly with your
allegations that they are engaged in a propaganda campaign against
President Bush.  And, next time, check your facts before you suggest I'm
making this stuff up:


"[...] BIN LADEN: Wanted Dead, Not Alive?       Washington Times'
Scarborough reports, according to senior U.S. officials, Bush admin
officials "are expressing a private consensus" that they want Osama bin
Laden "dead, not alive, in the event he is found in Afghanistan and there
is a chance to capture him." The officials said "the consensus" in meetings
among Pentagon, WH and State Dept officials means the admin "may avoid a
direct confrontation" between bin Laden and U.S. ground troops. Instead,
the Pentagon "will continue to try to kill the terrorist from the air once
he is located." The Pentagon has "already has tried to kill" bin Laden with
a "lucky shot" -- "bombing several cave complexes that serve as command
centers." The ruling Taliban militia claims that bin Laden "continues to
live."  Officials say the "most-favorable scenario" is to spot bin Laden
from the air "and kill him with a direct hit or entomb him in a cave with a
5,000-pound earth-penetrating bomb." They say an "even-better fate" is "for
a country or group other than" the U.S. "to pull the deadly trigger, so as
not to further ignite anti-U.S. passions among Islamic fundamentalists."
Meanwhile, bin Laden's "own followers may grant" the U.S. wish. One admin
official said "a loyal cadre of well-armed bodyguards are sworn to kill bin
Laden rather than see him fall into the hands of American
special-operations forces or rebels opposed to the Taliban militia."
Officials note "there has been no official decision by" Pres. Bush "on
whether to attempt a capture if the terrorist's location is determined"
(10/26). [...] "
http://www.theatlantic.com/hotline/#3


Speaking of  the President, heard about The Carlyle Group, a venture
capital firm which reportedly employs the President's father as a rainmaker
and which until very recently included the bin Laden family as an investor?
This cozy arrangement could mean that both the bin Laden and Bush families
personally profit from the current war, through investments in aerospace
and defense firms that sell to the various armed forces involved -- it's
not a pretty picture and deserves to be investigated, and the FBI already
may be doing just that. Again, if it's not obvious to rj/rjackson/jbor/?,
Terrance, and perhaps one or two others, note that I am here passing along
what has been reported elsewhere; take your allegations of anti-Bush
propaganda to the reporters and editors of those publications:

" [...] According to American business executives,[bin Laden] family
members do business with an array of financial institutions, including
Goldman, Sachs, Citigroup and Deutschebank. Until earlier this month, the
family also had a stake in the Carlyle Group, a Washington investment firm
with ties to the luminaries in politics. The two sides decided that the
controversy over the connection between the bin Ladens and Carlyle was not
worth the relatively small stake of $2 million that the family had
committed to the buyout firm. [...] "
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/28/international/middleeast/28BINL.html?searchpv=
nytToday


"[...]described by the Industry Standard as "the world's largest private
equity firm," with over $12 billion under management [...]Former Defense
Secretary Frank Carlucci is Carlyle's chairman and managing director (who,
by the way, was college roommate of the current Defense Secretary, Donald
Rumsfeld) [...] partners in this mammoth venture include former U.S.
Secretary of State James A. Baker III, George Soros, Fred Malek (George
H.W. Bush's campaign manager, forced to resign when it was revealed he was
Nixon's "Jew counter") [...] On Sept. 27, the WSJ published a "Special
Report: Aftermath of Terror" with the headline "Bin Laden Family Could
Profit From a Jump In Defense Spending Due to Ties to U.S. Bank." The
"bank" is actually The Carlyle Group [...] The lead sentence reads: "If the
U.S. boosts defense spending in its quest to stop Osama bin Laden's alleged
terrorist activities, there may be one unexpected beneficiary: Mr. bin
Laden's family." And, though the WSJ curiously did not mention this,
another beneficiary may be George H.W. Bush's family. [...]"
http://www.charm.net/~marc/chronicle/media3_oct01.shtml


"George Bush, Sr. works in a consulting position for the bin Laden family
business in Saudi Arabia through the Carlyle Group, an international
consulting firm. The senior Bush had met with the bin Laden family at least
twice. The NY Times is reporting that George Bush, Sr. works for the bin
Laden family business in Saudi Arabia through the Carlyle Group, an
international consulting firm. The senior Bush had met with the bin Laden
family at least twice. Officially the bin Laden family has disowned Osama,
yet the FBI is currently investigating the families holdings, including the
Carlyle Group. [...]
http://www.kolelonline.com/info/articletemp.cfm?Art=2784

[By the way, bin Laden's sister said, on a US primetime news program last
week, that she believes the bin Laden family is still supporting Osama
financially.  I previously sent an excerpt from that report, and will do so
again if somebody doubts it happened.]

"Judicial Watch, the public interest law firm that investigates and
prosecutes government abuse and corruption, called on former President
George Herbert Walker Bush to resign immediately from the Carlyle Group, a
private investment firm, while his son President George W. Bush is in
office. Today's New York Times reported that the elder Bush is an
"ambassador" for the $12 billion private investment firm and last year
traveled to the Middle East on its behalf. The former president also helped
the firm in South Korea.
The New York Times reported that as compensation, the elder Bush is allowed
is allowed to buy a stake in the Carlyle Group's investments, which include
ownership in at least 164 companies throughout the world (thereby by giving
the current president an indirect benefit). James Baker, the former
Secretary of State who served as President George W. Bush's point man in
Florida's election dispute, is a partner in the firm. The firm also gave
George W. Bush help in the early 1990's when it placed him on one of its
subsidiary's board of directors.
"This is simply inappropriate. Former President Bush should immediately
resign from the Carlyle Group because it is an obvious conflict of
interest. Any foreign government or foreign investor trying to curry favor
with the current Bush Administration is sure to throw business to the
Carlyle Group. And with the former President Bush promoting the firm's
investments abroad, foreign nationals could understandably confuse the
Carlyle Group's interests with the interests of the United States
government," stated Larry Klayman, Judicial Watch Chairman and General
Counsel. [...]"
http://www.judicialwatch.org/press_release.asp?pr_id=978 [dated 3-5-01]


"TUESDAY OCTOBER 23 2001
Bin Laden family to end ties to Carlyle
FROM CHRIS AYRES IN NEW YORK
[...] Carlyle Group, the US investment group backed by George Bush Snr, the
former President, and John Major, the former Prime Minister. [...] "
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,5-2001365686,00.html


That these creeps stand to profit from the attack that is now killing
innocent Afghanis and which may kill American soldiers (and personnel from
the coalition partners) sickens me.

I suspect that Pynchon may also have been disappointed to learn that
multinational corporations were supplying both sides in WWII, and I suspect
as well that this may have been one of the things that led him to write
about the War the way he has done in GR. That's pure speculation, of
course, I have no way to know this.

[I encourage readers to click on the enclosed urls and read excerpted
articles in their entirety, monitor a broad spectrum of information
sources, and use their brains to integrate their own understanding of the
post-911 Situation. ]