No, I'm Doug

[barbara100 at jps.net]

All from a man who keeps harping "when will you guys ever quit?" 
What a whiner.  You better watch out or I'm gonna start accusing you of being Quail.



Original Message:
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From: Terrance lycidas2 at earthlink.net
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 13:33:22 -0500
To: pynchon-l at waste.org
Subject: Re: No, I'm Doug




Phil Wise wrote:
> 
> Please.  First Mike Moore (Former NZ Prime Minister, now head of the WTO)
> who conflated protesters with the terrorists, then Peter Beinart (New
> Republic resident dry rave) and now you.  I'm surprised and shocked,
> frankly, unless you are being ironic, or speaking in the voice of others.
> You don't actually believe this conflation, do you????
> 
> phil

I'm not conflating. There is a huge difference between the the fanatical
hatred for the West exhibited by the Terrorists and the anti Western and
anti-American hatred exhibited by the most militant anti-globalists. The
anti-globalists are a diverse group. I support some of their actions and
share some of their objectives--on labor issues mostly. Mike pointed out
that the anti-globalists are not anti internationalists, but rather
against the control of the international market place by multinational
corporations. This is indeed one faction in the anti-gloabal movement.
However, there are anti-globalists who ally themselves with the
anti-western terrorists and commit acts of terror. There are
intellectuals on the extreme militant Left who advocate the dismantling
of the Western markets by any means necessary. We can't fail to see,
even here on this list, that there are people who share the objectives
of the terrorists and consistently argue that while their acts were not
just, there causes are. Moreover, several posts have gone so far as to
justify the acts of terror. First, they argue that the USA is itself a
terrorists organization. Second, they argue that the plight of the
Palestinians and other suffering Muslims, justifies a military response
by the terrorists. This, even as they condemn the USA for its military
actions and claim to be pacifists. Doug had the balls to say (and here I
will get emotional, sorry) that the real estate properties destroyed by
the terrorists were insured anyway and that the "war economy would mean
work for everyone" and that he was contributing a money to a fund for
those in need of post-traumatic counseling. This, after flooding this
list serve with his diatribes, his militant, anti-American propaganda
and slander. He proceeded to play Vietnam anti-war activists; inundating
us with the body counts from Afghanistan, the baby killing rhetoric, the
paranoid AmeriKa slop. He chastised us for our apparent delusions of
patriotism and labeled anyone who dared to object to his self-righteous
assault as Fascist Bush supporters and a Nazi. He wasn't content to
point out what all of all of, being members of the Pynchon List after
all, were keenly aware of, that our Nation was very vulnerable to the
Nationalistic Propaganda and that the government and the Press were
engaged in a campaign to fan the flames and ready the country for war.
He had to preach to the choir with his Leftists fire and brimstone. He
insulted us with his total disregard for facts, his total ignorance of
the complexities of the history of USA policy in the regions. He
deliberately flamed us, day and night. By recklessly breaching all the
rules of civilized dialogue, he destroyed any reasonable expectations
that we could discuss these matters with some dignity.  

So now I'm picking on Doug again. What a thin skinned baby. What a
whiner and a hypocrite. Yeah, I'm not pissed at him. Why take it out on
him? Hell, I can go down the block and find another asshole saying the
same crap. At least I can grab the prick by the throat and give him  a
good Scottish kiss. 

I guess we're all a little crazy these days. 

There is nothing wrong with crying
There is nothing wrong with tears
Some punch the walls
Some curl up in balls
Others tip too many beers

It's hard to take, it's tough
nothing is like it wuz
so punch a wall, roll up in a ball
and put on a damn good buzz

There is nothing wrong with waving the flag
or shopping, 
or flying far away
There is nothing wrong with crying
Or staying home today

There is nothing wrong with anger
there is nothing wrong with pain
But I hope I never feel this angry 
or this much pain again

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